posted Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:31
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Starting first time cycle
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Hey all! Looking for a little feedback. I'm 41 years old, 5'8" 135lbs, small build and planning on starting my first cycle. So far I have Test e and dbol. What would be your dosage recommendations for a small build such as mine. Thanks
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There's a lot that goes into this bro! Please take your time in researching !!! Pankration69 is right, go get your bloods done by your doc and find out where you actually are. On that note, all the others are right also. Diet and training are key to this success! I change my workout structure every three to four weeks just to keep my body guessing. My diet is constantly changing as well to meet what my body is telling me I need. One of the biggest lessons I've taken in is to NOT do more than one compound your first go around!!! I took the advice of some of the proven vets here and they are right. I now have a great base of what test alone will do. One of the issues I ran into was that my estrogen shot way up even on AI's. I wouldn't of known the cause or how to deal with it properly if I had multiple compounds going on! So for what it's worth, keep asking questions, keep researching, and you'll get there with knowledge and a formulated strategy that works for you! Best of luck to ya!
Thanks man! That's exactly what I'm continuing to do! Everybody has lots of good feedback and starting to see a majority come through!
great comment!
Here is a picture of my current build. So test only? Lemme know what y'all think!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/98346810@N06/9193064432/
Like oldhead said you have to eat and up your calories. But for a first cycle I would stick with test only. You will want to see and learn what that compound will do and the sides without mixing. Otherwise you will not know if you have sides what is doing what. If you square away a good diet plan, 500mg of test e will be more than sufficient to pack on some size. But if you don't up your calories you will gain some size mostly water and then lose it all when you come off.
Do you have you AI on hand also and you pct ready to go?
The only thing I have besides test and abol is Nolvaxyl 20mg
You are going to want to research anti estrogen because you don't want to cycle without having them present at least just in case or you will be in a world of hurt if your estrogen shoots up. You will also want to have clomid, when you come off your cycle to help kick start your natural test. At 41 honestly you should go get a hormone blood panel done at least to see where you current levels are at test and estrogen. You could very well have low testosterone that is the only reason I am not totally agreeing with Oldhead and Massive on just eating. If your test levels are really low then you can consider TRT which will go a long way and you won't need to worry about pct. Now if your test levels are in the higher ranges I would say up your calories and train first educate yourself better before your first cycle.
Believe me a lot people think steroids are going to do a lot more than they really will do without a solid nutrition and training program.
based on comments I have increased my calorie intake and training 1.5 hours a day with an occasional day off. Here is what I have on hand...Test E 250mg 25ml, dbol 10mg 150tabs(which everyone agrees not to take on first cycle so i'm taking that advice) Nolva 20mg 100tabs. Feedback?
hey mate if your wanting to bulk up you don't want to be in the gym for 1.5 hours! more like 45 mins get in do what you got to do and get out, your best friend from now on should be carbs like j223 said you need to be around 600 grams atleast, think potatoes, pasta, rice, oatmeal, eat lots of steak and red meat, maybe even get a weight gainer, eat often throughout the day, and make sure as soon as you wake up you eat and also before bed!!! you need surplus calories!!! lift heavy weights compound moves- type in arnolds beginner routine, it simple and effective for someone of your build!! trust me bro I was not much bigger than you at one time and I managed to put on about 20kgs all natural, a little tip for weight gain I used was have a weight gainer shake with breakfast lunch and tea, also mix it with full cream milk.
Same thing that Pankration69 mentioned above. Buy some clomid for pct...
Here's my two cents. I did my first cycle at 40. 500mg a week of test e for 12 weeks. 40 mg of Dbol weeks 4-8. Eat everything in sight. We only have so many years left to put on some quality size. Time to get as big as you can!
How long have you been lifting for size? Other people might tell you to "grow" before you cycle, but different people have different genetics. My brother lifted hard and ate right for years, and could never get above 150lbs.(he could bench almost twice his weight though). 1st cycle I would say just run the test around 500mg a week, my 1st cycle was Sust at around 600mg/week and I had great results. Save the dbol for the next cycle, see how you react to straight test before you run anything else. I'm not an expert btw, just talking from personal experience. The higher ranks will have more specific info...
I've been lifting for two years......200 mg protein ED along with chicken, eggs, steak, greens..etc. I've been a small guy my whole life....looking to ad some lean defined muscle
forget protein. Fuck protein. You need 600 grams of carbs a day and 160g of fats. Try that in addition to your 200g of protein and come back here in a couple months. I bet you will be 160 or so WITHOUT steroids
2 years and you wanna run a cycle? Cmon bro just hit the kitchen and pump some heavy weight.... Its not like your platueing already with only 2 years of lifting under your belt...i mean if you have low Test than ok i guess you have to run test but if not then try to build the best base possible "natty" and then run a cycle..itll only benefit you more bud.
Just my 2 cents tho.
You're prob going to bloat with Dbol, I know I do. You already have your pct and ae's on hand? How much Test and Dbol do you have? More specifics will get more people to chime in. Also move this post over to cycles forum, you'll get more help.
AnonDive into the forums brother and start reading boss. I wouldn't run dbol until your 2nd or 3rd cycle. Read read read and the post up a sample cycle for the vets to critique
The dosages would be..hmm lets see?..... 400grams of protien& 300grams of carbs ED!
lol.... Dude you need to hit the kitchen and grow from food..135lbs? Thats a horrible base to start a cycle bro...
EAT BIG GET BIG.
Thats my Opinion...lets see what these douches have to say. Lmao!