posted Thu, 06/15/2017 - 16:58
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Starting another cycle right after test only and a PCT
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Hi. I am very much a newbie and I went on a newbie 12 cycle of about 400mg of test e per week. I then took 2 weeks until I started a Clomid cycle for 4 weeks. My assumption was that I could start up a cycle of 300mg test e and a blend of Winstrol and Tren Ace at 350mg per week as soon as my PCT was over. After doing a little research, I am finding that maybe I shouldn't. But since I was only on reasonable dose of test, I might be ok.
What do you all think? I am still learning as I go so please dumb it down. Thanks!
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Hey all. Just amazing help. Thank you for the replies and advice. It has completely changed my plans but it'll be better in the end and I thank you.
Please allow me to boomerang back some advice on something unrelated to the roids subject. Every one of the experts started where I started. You all were as dumb as I am now unless you started with a degree in biochemistry or you are an endocrinologist. Please consider paying back all the experts who helped you when you were a newb by being patient with us new roid dummies.
+1 for taking advice, guy.
RustyhookerWe are patient whwn an op is honest. Find some dishonest b.s. and you'll find out quick.
I getcha and I sincerely thank all you guys for the help. Learning a lot.
Time on + time off is not a universal rule no matter what you read.
You can only properly consider going back on when you have recovered fully. Different compounds/IChemicals = different durations to recovery.
To recover fully, you need to completely remove exog compounds (including PCT chems) from your system, to fully allow hormones to settle - it is important to realise all compounds cause natural levels to flux. They will flux when on cycle, when off cycle awaiting pct, when in pct and again post pct and then daily/weekly etc. as is natural. One you have returned to normal you can test levels properly and only then really know if you have recovered.
Learn half life of all chemicals to calculate, then add time takes PCT chems to leave body (per half life x 5 = both time to steady state and also to remove compound from system), then add time after this to allow levels to settle (perhaps a week or two.
Test e has longer half life than prop, and is also more suppressive, therefore the test E hl, pct time etc are both longer than a short ester cycle.
12 weeks + PCT = 17/17.5 weeks, plus recovery post pct.... (clomid can take 10 weeks (or more) to leave the system) = a true recovery time (given effects of clomid on estro) of around 15.5 weeks, plus a post PCT flux time, I think 2 weeks is reasonable.... = 17.5 weeks - which is a lot longer than your 12 week cycle, but could be even longer if your body doesnt exit the clomid as fast as that.
Re-cycling at anything less then 5.5 weeks post end of test E cycle and you are still on cycle, pushing you into having been supressed for well over a half a year... close to a year if the cycle is similar... your natural levels will never ever be the same again... and thats pretty much guaranteed.
If you want to shorten post cycle recovery you can play with cycle duration, dosage and ester type... if you want to shorten PCT recovery... then again you can play with the compounds you use, for example swapping clomid for toremifene = 10+ weeks to 20 days.
A prop only cycle + toremifene based pct might see you ready for bloods to see if truly recovered by 2.5 months post last shot. That's 10 weeks to recovery, which could also be after a longer cycle making time off shorter than time on... potentially!
As always, there are tradeoffs with any decision... 1 over the other, switch to short ester end of cycle etc etc... Always trade offs, including the decision on whether to listen to your evil ego versus your forum friends below. They care, but your ego fkn hates you.
You doubled down on dumb didn't you. You can't dumb down dumbtardness.
Just stop now. Before something bad happens.
I cant dumb it up any more then this. Time on plus your PCT equals time off. 12 week cycle plus two weeks after last pin plus four weeks of PCT is eighteen weeks. This is the minimum amount of time you should wait to start another cycle. This is assuming you have recovered based on your blood work. If you had a positive experience with test only cycle don't be afraid to do a test only cycle again.
PCT doesn't repair the axis; it just kickstarts the process a little. It'll take some time to recover. PCT and then straight into another cycle is not cycling. It's blasting and then cruising on SERMs for no reason whatsoever. Dumb.
That's an absolutely terrible idea! Stop everything immediately. You're going to permanently damage your HPTA.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/ive-just-finishe...
Give your endocrine system more time to recomp, is my first thought. Did you get blood drawn before cycle?
You need something to compare your levels before and after, gives you a baseline so you know when your system is ready
and I defiantly would not jump right to tren.
I do have numbers before and getting after numbers is a great idea. And like I said, that Tren is part of a blend with Winstrol so I think it would be a lot less stressful to my endocrine system than just going full Tren. But what the hell do I know...
Just be patient do not rush it.
hopefully some of the more experienced people will reply.
Where did u get that idea that a blend of Tren with winny is less stressful? 100mg of Tren is 100mg of Tren no matter what it is mixed with...
Time on=time off (at least)
Ok fair enough but what about right after just test? I was already diagnosed with low T so I just wonder if I am just at a normal level now as if I never took test. Know what I mean? Sorry for all the questions but I sincerely appreciate the advice.
If you pulled bloods there would be no wondering
RustyhookerWrong. How long he been off pct? Clomid lingers well over a month. Sure would skew blood tests
Ok so I am just giving up on the hope I had to start another cycle soon. I may just take the rest of the year off and use what I have next year. However, I do have some clen I'm still hoping to use. Any issues with starting that soon?
Maybe I shouldn't have logged on today. I got hit by the van then ED ( no homo) was gracious enough to come back with AAA. Makawa had me moderately convinced a chemical reaction was taking place in my ass that could likely result in an explosion and now I see that I overlooked an important fact while trying to offer advice. I think I will retire for the evening and start anew tomorrow. Thank you for pointing out the clomid effecting bloods. It was overlooked.
RustyhookerNo worries bro. Yesterday was a long grueling day of crazy newbs. Teamwork.
Completely agree and making a doctor's appointment today. Thanks guys!
Please look at rustys comment and take into consideration.
Good man.