posted Sun, 06/02/2013 - 17:23
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short vs long ester
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So I was jw, it SEEMS that short ester are better. Less water retention, acts faster, in and out type cycle not waiting for it to kick in or taking it for a long time, meaning more cycles in a year, etc
so why do people still do long esters?
I was going to roll with test/deca/d bol for my next cycle but seeing quite a bit of water just on 650 of test, plus even after a 4 week kickstart of t bol it was like the test still wasn't even kicked in. after t bol I lost strength, endurance, pumps, etc
so now I am debating just doing a npp n prop cycle next
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What i love about shorts is the ability to adjust quickly, im not that guy that says build your cycle and stick to it, probably 90-95% of the people on here will though. I dont know your cycle history but once you get the experience of what a compound does to you then using shorts makes for great cycles of adding compounds and taking compounds out as well as adjusting doses as you go.
so with all that being said, what is suggested for my next cycle? deca or npp
I'd say NPP just because it's quicker acting and will be out of your system sooner. You can inject npp 3x a week to have stable levels. and total cycle length anywhere from 8-12 weeks is good.
don't forget caber, AI, HCG and run a full pct as well, run caber into pct to rid prolactin as prolactin itself is very suppressive. Might be good idea to keep test higher example would be 700mg/wk test and 350mg NPP. Proviron might come in handy to bring libido up as well as control estrogen and it can help reduce bloating. You can run test a week longer than the npp to let it clear before beginning pct.
Dbol at 30mg per day first 5 weeks and you got yourself a nice bulking cycle. It's actually what I'll be running next go around. With your arimidex dose on point, 25-50mg proviron, and a low sodium diet you should see very little bloating at all even with dbol.
would you need a kickstart even with running npp?
Kickstart? You mean test prop? Depends on what test you are using. If you are using enanthate, sure you can kickstart with prop.
If you are referring to dianabol, no it is not a kickstart. It is being used because it is highly anabolic and increases protein synthesis. Theres a reason why it's often combined with nandrolone and test.
Each steroid serves a purpose and work through different mechanisms. In other words they are very synergistic and stack nicely. Test/deca/dbol is probably the best bulking stack of all time. It's a classic muscle building stack and works well.
ooh ok I see what you are saying. with the npp is what I was asking about still using d bol. I figured d bol would be used with long acting esters to get faster results. n with npp acting fast I didn't see a need for it. also didn't expect to see npp n prop used to 12 weeks neither.
how much more water does deca hold compared to npp? I have a bottle of deca already but if the cycle is close to just as long, I thought npp was ran for 8 weeks. so I might just do the deca since I already have part of it
Rustyhooker^^^^ good info right there! Solid test base and can adjust the npp quickly.
Chaz32621Test e and deca with an oral kickstart is a good cycle massive strength gains and size or u could add winny into the mix the deca counter acts the dry joint winny give you.
Chaz326212 pins a week and done lmao, helps keep it away from family members and ur girl. The better she knows ur not on anything but just wanting to smash more the happier she is. Trust me lmao!!
in my experience when i stop short esters i deflate almost after a week, i start to lose the look with veins popping out everywhere.
when i stop long esters i actually start to look better even though i lose some pounds which is the water coming off, after 2 months though it all starts going downhill and i look like my natural self
AnonThey all have their place. Running all shorts depends on goals as well as running some longs for a base and blasting in and out with shorts. Kicks tapers or sticking with one or the other. It's all has its place and works perfectly when done right. Knowing ester lengths and compound synergy and knowing how ur body reacts helps dictate what u should run.
RustyhookerShorts are awesome. Longs are awesome. Every cycle is designed to match goals. If a dude is 15%bf....then a long estered cycle done right is better for a recomp. Shorts are awesome for cutting or addin a lil fast mass when you're very close to your goals. When I'm near my goal weight of 200, then a simple basic short cycle hits my goals with less hassles.
The difference is dependent on the uset, goals and priors. Knowing all your options makes smart choices easier
After pinning tren ace for 12 weeks straight daily, I was happy as hell to switch to enanthate.
plus I love boldenone and it comes in undecylenate ester so i gotta run longer cycle.
why did you do ed n for that long?! I bet you got awesome results though!
Was told to use ace my first time with tren.
Honestly I should have just used enanthate the whole time but I had like 15 bottles of ace to burn through so I thought why the hell not keep going.
I love tren Ace, but when pinning becomes a chore it gets old. I have pinned every muscle though biceps, triceps, calves, ventro, vastus lateralus, vastus intermedius, rectus femoris, pecs, lats and glutes.
So I definitely got good experience with injections lol
Tren enanthate is so much easier to deal with, next tren cycle I'll just kickstart it with ace until enanthate kicks in.
No1I dont use short esters because I dont like pinning every day
So have you done tren e or deca before? What were your results like? N isn't it ok to do eod or I have even saw people do e3d of short ester
No1Iv used deca but ended the cycle 7 weeks in just as it was kicking in because something came up, but thats the only time
AnonShort esters rock hit quick leave quick give same gains IMO !!!!
That's what Im realizing...but people still do the long ones so I wanna know why lol
AnonI think due to the fact pinning Eod or even Ed gets old and to an extent painful too lol and twice a week is cake