Short & safe cycle - feedback appreciated
Quick introduction:
Age: 38
6'3", 215 pounds
I've run 3 AAS cycles loooong time ago (appr. 15 years ago) and trained drug free ever since with the exception of a short HGH only cycle earlier this year. As the title suggest, looking for a short and safe cycle to get myself back in the world of AAS.
Goals: body recomp, moderate weight and size gains over long term.
Previous cycles: Sustanon with Dianabol, Winstrol or Deca. PCT was primarily HCG only as back then there was very little info on PCT overall. Saw big size and strength gains but suffered from water retention and gyno as well. My dosages were moderate, ie max 500 mg of Sustanon / wk etc.
This takes me to my current goals... have done research on short cycles and was intrigued by their short and effective nature. They also made perfect sense to me from the perspective of something that is safe and has minimal impact on my own production. I know a short cycle will shut you down as well but, as said, the nature of these short cycles spoke immediately to me. Here links to some of the research articles I read:
http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performanc...
http://www.silownia.net/steroids/a/12221
http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performanc...
Questions:
Would like to try test p but do you think it's worth running it alone? Not a big fan of orals...
Here my ideas for a 4 week cycle:
- test p 50-100 mg EOD
- Aromasin 6.5 mg ED -> have not used an AI before but due to my estro issues in the past, this is obviously a must. 6.5 mg ok dose?
- PCT: Nolva 40 mg/d wk 1, 20 mg/d wks 2-4
- Assume HCG not needed in a short cycle?
- Min 10-12 weeks off before a new 4 wk cycle
I know this is a probably one of the most conservative cycles you have seen but my goal is to slowly get back into test and want to do it in the safest possible way to see how my body reacts to it and what if any changes are needed. Many people told me that my HGH only cycle of 0.8-1.6 IU (Genotropin) would be waste of time and money but I was personally very pleased with the results I got. As said above, I'm looking to transform my body with small and safe steps...
thanks for all the feedback
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Dont forget blood work. Dont crash estrogen. Start exemestane after test levels rise. Maybe add Proviron?? You will have to titrate AI based on sides. 6.25mg eod/ed is a good starting point, especially around week 3-4. Rework PCT. Nolva 40/40/20/20 Add clomid 100/100/50/50 to PCT. Start PCT 14 days after last injection if you decide on long ester cycle.
if you wanna run a 4 week test-p cycle your fine run it. just make sure you got rotation spots for pins as you will likely experience some PIP after being off so long. if you got some girl in you then go with the 12 week test-e cycle, if you can handle the PIP then run it.
I was on a testing regime for several years and ran nothing but shorts the whole time, along side my TRT.
I also got my information from the threads on T-nation
thanks. How did you like the short cycles? Any learnings/comments? thanks
learned a lot, but keep in mind I was TRT so my cycles were much different then you would be running for shorts.
RustyhookerTest p is good IF you're well versed. If i was in your shoes I'd use links on top. Groups. First cycles group. Fully laid out with all questions answered.
Keep It Simple Stupid as my profs told me. Test solo is always a growth run. Or cut. Why? Because food dictates all goals. Choices of gear effect water load.
Groups. Thanks, will do that
Your best bet is to run a basic 10-12 week test e or c cycle. 4 weeks isn't enough time to make any changes to your body. it probably takes 10-14 days for prop to reach peak plasma levels in your blood leaving you 2 weeks to make gains. You havent cycled in 15 years so your working with virgin muscles again and any type of injection you do is gonna leave you with crippling pip for the first few injections now use prop instead and that pip will be multiplied by 10 and last the entire cycle. Atleast with long ester it will go away after you hit each muscle 1 or 2 times. Youre still shutting yourself down using prop. Not sure why you would think this would be a safer way to dive in then the basic test cycle everyone of us do for our first cycle. You have to look at it a risk reward thin. With a 10-12 week test cycle you could potentially gain 10-20lbs of real muscle. With a 4 week prop cycle you could gain 2-4lbs of mucle. The side effects are all the same, id rather do the cycle that will net me 20lbs if the same risks apply. This is what youlll need to know if you decide to cycle. http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/noobs-guide-on-ho...
That ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is THE answer after any long term break from AAS compounds....... simple and sweet.
Thanks for the feedback! I'm aware of pip and have considered that but maybe have underestimated how painful it might be after so many years off. One of the reasons for a 4 wk cycle over 12 weeks is one's lipid profile and other impacts on your body that longer cycles have. I guess one isolated 4 week cycle would be waste of time but idea being that you can run them relatively often with less time off between cycles... thanks
In my experience test cycles have not impacted my lipids. In fact during my last cycle I came across some new supplements for lipids and cut my LDL and triglycerides in half while on cycle. So I would just worry about keeping estrogen in check which will keep water retention down and Bp normal and take some other support supps.
Someone want to explain why they negged me for giving my experience with lipids on test only cycles? Did I say everyone will have the same luck? No i did not I gave my experience.
Probably a fat thumb by someone. That or someone got upset by learning something. ;-)
I fixed it for you.
Do you mind sharing which supplements? FR sent
Agreed I've always figured short cycles were more for athletes and competitive sports where 4lbs is the difference between a W and an L...whereas when your working on your physic or going for strength and size as you stated your involving essentially the same risk/pain/cycle problems for 1/4 the gains as a full cycle...
Ya I agree as an athlete a 4lb gain or a .2 second increaee in speed, 10lb increase in stregnth can be the difference between w or l. Like you said it's not good for building a physique.