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Mild AAS cycle - feedback appreciated

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Background:
- Age 38
- Been training for 20 years
- couple of mild AAS cycles looong time ago, suffered from water retention and mild gyno back. No AI available/used back then.
- Currently on pharma grade HGH (1.6 IU per day) since last fall. Happy with the results so far...
- Goals: Body recomp, low/moderate muscle gains. Safe cycle with very limited side effects.

I've been thinking about getting back in the AAS game for quite some time now... Here are my thoughts for a mild/safe cycle. Yes, I know that everyone recommends 500mg of test / wk but I've always reacted well to small amounts of AAS/HGH overall and do not plan to go higher than 250 mg/wk at this point. Questions below are mostly related to AI, PCT and how to synchronize them the right way.

I have my test and estro baseline levels known from previous blood tests. Plan on running bloods again 5-6 weeks after starting the cycle.

CYCLE
wk 1-12: test E 250 mg
wk 3-12: Aromasin. Start at 6.25 mg/d to see how my body reacts but expect this to perhaps be at 12.5 mg/d in the end. Obviously blood results will determine it.

Question: what about weeks 13 and 14? Keep taking Aromasin until PCT starts? Lower dose?

PCT
wk 15-18: Clomid 100/100/50/50
wk 15-18: Nolva 40/40/20/20.
wk 15-18: Aromasin 6.25 mg

Thoughts? Thank you

JL's picture

What are your natural test levels?

1707's picture

Test, serum 468 (348-1197)
Test, free 10.90 (5.00-21.00)
Estradiol 10 (3-70)

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Let me just drop this pearl in here for not just yourself but others to mull over also.

I talk to a lot of people who pride themselves on running low/mild cycles and actually believe they are doing their body a favour, when in reality a lot of us (not all) actually still produce a high amount of natural testosterone..... ok so it goes like this!

We buy UGL gear that is under par,underdosed, or sometimes absolute rubbish,,, (thats fact)... we pin this junk and even though it may have a slight amount of test hormone in it .. it slams our natty production to the ground and leaves us running on nothing but the exogenous percentage of hormone which in certain circumstances could (and is through results i have seen) far LOWER than our naturally produced levels!

This is why rusty below is asking if you have gone pharma grade.......... also the same thing happens when we pin ultra rubbish grade chinese generic GH .... some of this crap has never seen what a 191aa branch chain looks like lmfao!

To summarise.. i respect your conservative approach but! we must be aware poor quality is rife in this day and age............ food for thought methinks!!

Good luck brother Smile

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Understand your comments, thanks.

ok, so we are talking about two things here; 1) whether the gear we end up using is of good quality and how that perception could end up being misleading, and 2) whether 250 mg/wk would be enough to provide good results (subjective of course). The reason why I picked a very conservative dose is that I've noticed that even low doses can provide good results. Good results are obviously VERY subjective but as far as my goals go, I'm not looking to gain 20 pounds. My targets are very conservative. My HGH usage is a good example. This is my 2nd cycle and everybody kept telling me in the beginning that I'd be wasting my time & money with anything below 2IU/d. My baseline IGF was 189 and with only 0.8 IU of pharma grade HGH it went up to 269. Maybe not a very high number per say but percentage-wise a considerable increase given how low my dose was. The results were good and in line with what I expected. My current dose is 1.8 IU.

Test is obviously not HGH but I'm trying to follow the same principle here. I'm pretty confident that 250mg/wk would be a good dose for me and I guess the question now is whether I can get good enough gear to make sure that 250 is truly 250. Assuming that's the case, can you give me any feedback regarding my AI questions above. Highly appreciated!

thanks

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PCT is pharma. Test E from a reputable source here. HGH pharma as well.

Goals listed in my original post.

6'3", 215-220, BF 10-15%.

Makwa's picture

10-15% is definitely a wide range. 15% I look smooth and a little sloppy. 10% and everyone wants to be me:)