Second cycle - test and d-bol - advice requested
So I'm planning my next cycle which I'm due to start in June but before I get ahead of myself my stats are age 36 weight 180lbs, 13% BF, training for 10+ years. Cycle history: 12 weeks test e 500mg pw with a test prop taper at 100mg eod and a pct of nolva and clomid for 4 weeks. On my last cycle I found that I needed AI of adex from week 3 and I found 0.5mg eod worked well. I went through high and low e2 as I tried to find what worked for me so I have an idea what to expect this time in terms of sides. Over the 12 weeks I gained close to 20lbs and I've managed to keep 90% of it after pct. My diet is 3500 per day and my macros are protein 300g carbs 385g fats 95g. I also take creatine and BCAAs and multivitamins, fish oil and milk thistle. My goals for my second cycle are to gain 10-15lbs while keeping my e2 under control to avoid excessive bloat due to water retention. I plan to run an 8 week cycle as follows:
1-4 d-bol at 40mg ed
1-6 test e 500mg
7-8 test prop 100mg eod
I know I should use prop for the whole cycle but I have a few weekends away during the summer so eod pinning could be an issue. I'm interested in people's views on this approach and any suggestions are appreciated. Concerns with using d-bol are high BP and excessive water weight so I welcome advice on both and anything else I should expect. I'm open to suggestions on an alternative approach so please critique as needed. Finally my training is 6 days per week of resistance training with cardio 3 days per week. I train as follows:
Mon: chest and tri (international chest day!)
Tue: Back and shoulders
Wed: Abbs and bicep
Thurs: Legs
Friday: chest and tri
Sat: back and shoulders
Thanks for taking the time to read this and please let me know what you think.
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Both guys below are giving you THE best advice bro, pointless me trying to add anything they are both spot on the money.
Thanks Viking, appreciate you taking the time and for your confirmation of the suggestions from the guys.
6 weeks of a long ester like test E or cyp is pointless mate as they won't start to take full effect until around week 5 so you really need to be running this for around 12 - 16 weeks at your stated dosage, forget about the dbol if you suffer from estrogen issues and want less bloat, as you've stated you need short esters daily to give minimum bloat / water..
As this is only your second cycle why don't you run your long ester for 14 weeks at 500 mg per week along with proviron at a daily dosage of 50mg - 75mg per day on split dosages throughout your cycle as this will help to keep your estrogen low and also aid as a hardener when making new gains, from week 12 add in 40mg of var for 6 weeks until pct, this meaning starting your PCT around 3 weeks after your last injection of the long ester.
Thanks bro, sounds like a good plan. I can't commit to 14 weeks + pct for my summer cycle but ill run with that for cycle 3. I appreciate the suggestion about the proviron and var. I'm looking forward to trying that out. If im running test prop eod for 8 weeks should I run var for the last few weeks or just wait until I'm running a longer duration?
AnonI've run var up to 8 weeks before, I usually keep it to 6 weeks now but you could run an 8 week test prop cycle and run the var for almost the entire cycle if you wanted. Would work very well with a quick test prop cycle like that.
Excellent, thanks brother!
AnonIf your goal is to manage e2 and avoid bloating I'm not sure dbol would be the best option. I don't really see the point in running test e for only 6 weeks and then adding on a couple weeks of test prop at the end. If you want to run a short cycle then short esters are the way to go, otherwise I would stretch it out and use long esters and go for something like tbol or anavar if you want to run an oral to avoid bloating. Or even just some proviron added in a basic test cycle would be beneficial, but what you have laid out right now doesn't make much sense in my opinion. If you find that keeping a regular pinning schedule will be difficult maybe you should hold off until you can fully commit to your cycle.
Thanks jello, I appreciate the advice. I'll rethink my schedule and see if I can fit in eod pinning and stick with the short ester. I like the idea of adding proviron, I've read that it frees up more test so ill be interested to see how it works for me.