+ 2 Second Cycle Questions
Hey everybody,
Starting my second cycle in January. I have my ai and pct (nolva) on hand and ready. I planned on running a cycle of test e and eq. 500 mg a week for each. I plan on running for about 18 weeks.
I planned on kickstarting the first 4 weeks with dbol. I've been hearing around of a prohormone called metha-drol that some people are saying they like to start a cycle with better than the dbol. I've tried to do some research but it's hard to separate real reviews from scammers. Anyone have any experience with it and any comments on it?
Also, any comments on the cycle? I know it seems plain, but it's only my second cycle and I like to keep it simple, but any suggestions are much appreciated. My first cycle I ran last February was the basic 500 mg of test e for 12 weeks. I loved the results.
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I may have accidentally negged you bro but I gave you 1 back. How did you get in the negative though? I can't find anything in your history that you did wrong. I'll see if I can get a mod to straighten it out.....
RustyhookerSTATS AND PRIORS?! SMH......
My stats are in my profile, but I replied to another comment in this thread with them. I didn't realize you would have to click on the profile to get to it, my bad on that. My prior cycle was in the original post so I don't see why you jumped on me for that. 500 mg/week test e for 12 weeks.
RustyhookerStats are like going to auto dealer asking about a "knokkety-ping" noise but leaving the car at home. If you read i was yelling at the others for not asking stats. I for one will never waste my time tossing knowledge without stats. When I'm training someone personally....it's $150/hour. I'm here for FREE. So come prepared and fill in the blanks. Or you can ask Viking bout several times kiddies came in and got advanced cycle experience. Then the 15yr old kids mommy got on here flipped the Hella out.
I wouldn't stack yet if i was you. Research provi on top of forums. It unbinds test into useable form. Meaning more available test with LOWER mgs. So you can hit an easy 500/wk enanthate/cyp and 50Mg provi split daily. Test 12Weeks and provi up to pct. Food dictates the gains. Basically the most bang for the buck with least sides.
Thanks rustyhooker, went and did a little research on proviron. Seems that it works pretty good as an anti-estrogen agent by having a high binding affinity to aromatase enzymes on top of the benefits it gives by binding to the SHGB hormones. One thing I found is that DHT has a pretty high affinity for binding to receptors in the scalp and prostate possibly causing problems with baldness. I'll be doing some more research on it, but have you ever had any problems with it?
So far people have just told me not to stack yet on this cycle, but adding the provi seems like something that would be beneificial. If I want to include it in this next cycle though, I'll have to do some digging and find some haha.
This is why I started this thread though, guys in the gym just tell you to take this and take that and make all these complicated cycles for no real reason. Wanted some input from people who take it more serious.
Thepullmanator asked for his stats way down at the bottom bro..... But good lookin out! We're all on the same page here
Above for prior cycle (test e 500mg/wk) stats are in profile.
First cycle was test only? Then don't add two new compounds (dbol and EQ, which isn't a great combination anyway). One at a time.....
Thanks for the advice, when would you say is a good time to add in another compound? I'm not against another test only cycle, just curious as to when people with experience think it is beneficial to add in another compound
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens
Read forums in this page
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/pct-and-aromasin
And
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/attention-new...
Ok first off I agree with thepullmanator on the PCT and researching the variations for me it's more like this:
Clomid: 100/50/50/50
Nolva: 40/40/20/10
I don't use aromasin during pct because I don't want to crash my estrogen. I just want to keep it down. You will already have low testosterone. You just want to stay even keeled until your body gets back to a normal range. So several of us differ on this. I don't necessarily believe more is better. I believe in maximum results with minimum products because there is a point where your wasting your money and do more harm than good. I also do not suffer from estrogen rebound if I taper my nolva to 10mgs the last week.
Ok new subject. 18 weeks at 25 and it being you second cycle is toooo long in my opinion. If you want more at the tail end of you test run do a taper with prop. Run it for 17 days after you last test e pin at 100mgs eod. And wait 1 day and go straight into PCT. If you run your test e for 12 weeks and do the prop taper you will squeeze another two weeks out of your cycle. Maximum use of your cycle time. T bol is milder than d Bol but still a decent kicker but me..... I like a prop kicker as well as a taper. Again making maximum use of you cycle time. When you run kickers and tapers you need to have your AI dialed in because it will fluctuate some during this process..... Running a couple cycles of test e by itself is the best thing to do. 12 week runs and a good diet you will yield some damn good gains. Plus you will really get dialed in with your AI. If you can't control your estrogen properly you won't get as much out of your cycles as you could!
Source/ info found in----http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/pct-and-aromasin
Good stuff though you still run the risk of crashing your estrogen. So if you're going to use it you should be very careful and listen to your body..... +1
New chapter, thanks for the input. I think I like the idea of the the test prop taper. Why do you think 18 weeks is too long for my age? If i did do only 12 weeks I guess I would dump the eq. Everything i've read on eq says it should be ran at least 16 weeks. No denying the test e gives great results. That's what my first cycle was and I loved it.
Also, the pullmanator, thanks as well. Thats why I chose aromasin. I had done some research about the type 1 and type 2 inhibitors. Pullmanator, do you take aromasin throughout your cycle, or only when you feel gyno sides coming. New chapter it seems you like it only when needed correct?
Don't mean to sound ignorant or anything in any of my posts, just trying to make sure I get everything situated the best I can.
i will be starting my first "planned/thought out cycle" soon
test E wil a test P kicker, i will start 12.5 Asin eod week 2, but i will also be getting intra cycle bloods in addition to precycle bloods so i can really see what dose works for me
Bloods are key in first exploratory cycle doses especially with Ai doses, research high and low estro sides
Yeah I plan on getting my bloods done precycle and during the cycle. Around what week would you suggest getting it done again during the cycle? week 4ish when the test is starting to kick in?
Absolutely this way you can see where your at on everything. 4 weeks is a good time to do it maybe week 5.
sorry I filled out the info my profile I figured it would show up on the side. I'm 25, male, 6' 0" at about 196 lbs right now. Thanks for the info on the clomid, i'll definitely look into it more. I've done research before and found on my own that they both work via the mechanism of action and they do not have any synergistic properties together. Maybe I am just looking at the wrong things, because I've also found multiple papers tell me temoxifen is much more potent. My occupation gives me easy access to medical journal databases so I try to use it to my advantage. Definitely not trying to be confrontational and i'll be looking into it more. Thank you for the suggestion. I'll go check out what they have in the pct section.
What are your stats? Age sex weight height?
Absolutely want clomid in your pct, no way around it, it helps your body increase natural test post cycle
A good start is
Clomid 100/100/50/50
nolva 40/40/20/20
Aromasin 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25
But, search the pct section for research in this info because their a lot of proven variations on this that you NEED to read about
Sorry I clicked the wrong reply button lol, but my comment above was a response to this. Another question I had was, what is your belief on AI's? I have aromasin on hand. Take 12.5 mg ED or wait until gyno sides start coming, if they come at all? On my first cycle of just test E I experienced no sides at all except for a little back acne, and that mostly game at the end of the cycle during PCT surprisingly. For that cycle I had it on hand in case I needed it.