Question about Adex
This will be my first experience with aas. I am 40 years old, 6', 160lbs, 12% bf. I have been training since I was 17 years old. I am an extremely hard gainer and find it difficult to put on weight. Strength comes fairly easily though. Diet and training are on point, currently following Jim Stepannis shortcut to size diet religiously. Figured a guy with that degree would have quality diet advice.
Non-Workout Day Totals
■Calories: 3100
■Protein: 265g
■Carbs: 260g
■Fats: 110g
Workout Day Totals
■Calories: 3700
■Protein: 335g
■Carbs: 340g
■Fats: 110g
Proposed cycle is as follows:
wk 1-4 dbol 50mg/ed
wk 1-10 test e 500mg/wk - 250 m/th
Adex .25 E3D
PCT: starting week 12
nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 100/100/50/50
A question I have... Is the adex a must in your opinion. In my research I have found that not everone has issues with gyno and water weight and adex taken simply as a precautioary measure may acctually hinder gains due to not allowing estrogen levels to increase therefor hindering glucose utilization, growth hormone secretion,and androgen receptor proliferation.
While I can read facts all day long I do not have first had experience. In your opinion is it better to leave the adex out unless symptoms require it, or better to take the precautionary method and leave it in at the .25 E3D?
Thanks in advance for your input.
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I want to thank you again for sound advice and taking the time to explain the reasons for your responses, that really helps. I have been holding off doing this until I got all the facts and reasons behind them. I believe that everything is in place now. The adventure begins tomorrow.
tread-mWelcome to the dark side! Lol
tread-mThe latter. I would run as you plan and get bloods at that adex dose at about week 8 and see what's going on with estro.m up to that point signs will be there to make further indication but those are hard to read until you have experience. Part of that experience will come by way of learning your compounds and you simply can't do that starting your first cycle with 2 compounds. You have no idea what is going on and in the future when you really want to manipulate your body you will have much less ability to do so because you confused yourself by not learning properly. The dbol needs to be cut. The cycle needs 12 weeks rather than 10 IMO and then start pct week 14. Here's why you roll the AI. It is likely you will at least spike estro some even if water is not too bad. Having said so sex hormone binding globulan increases at a similar rate and robs your test no matter how high the bloods say it is. So you run the protocol, do the bloods as I showed and begin to build your personal roadmaps to success over time. If estro is a bit low we tweak down, a bit high we tweak up on AI etc. Nice and slow roll to the big show brother, you have waited this long so don't waste more time in the future by not learning this from the ground up. Test only this run and drink water all day, I carry it everywhere I go, limit your salt, plenty of cardio and make sure you have those cals on a six meal plan. You want protein available to the body every 2-3 hrs. Get some letro on hand.
I was not familiar with letro when you made the above statement. Did a little research. What is the reasoning behind another ai?
tread-mNo you likely won't use it. It will be in the event gyno popped up and stronger than your standard AI with possibility of some reversal of gyno if it were to occur. Many who have gyno will have to use the standard adex or aromasin while waiting on letro. Sort of better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
understood
will it be post cycle, during cycle? If it is during cycle will it be taken in addition to adex or as replacement?
and when would I use it?
Thanks for the advice... accepted 100% will save the dbol for another time. The water wil be no issue for me. I dont drink anything else and live in a very hot dry climate already drinking a gallon + every day. The diet I am running is currently 6 meals. Again, I appreciate the advice.
tread-mThat will serve you well brother it really will. For one thing on top of the above, if youwere to be prone to gyno you want to learn that on test, dbol will explode gyno so a much more pleasant way to learn is test only. Lol
In your opinion being a first time user following that strict diet and a good workout plan, what would be my expected gains? Will the gains come consistantly eg. a couple pounds/ week or more rapid gains towards the end. If gains are not coming would I just up protein to a greater level or carbs and protein both?
tread-mIts difficult to even guess given we are all unique. You have the potential of gains from day one between placebo and just being fired up and dialed . It has nothing to do with test of course in the first 3 weeks or so but why it happens does not matter as long as its quality mostly. I can't imagine its less than 15 lbs by cycle end and some will gain much more. I don't personally like to see the guys who post up 30+ lb gains in a 12 week test run. Very difficult to think you will keep it and it usually means much of it was crap. Once you do get an idea of gains and close the cycle you need to keep in mind, this is cause and effect mostly from food. Its very important you adapt a yr round diet to goals rather than expect you can keep gains you got from one diet after switching back to old habits. Big eating has to be a constant to continue to achieve. You drop back to old habits post cycle and the old you comes knockin on the door pretty quick.
Should be no prob. When I first started that diet was very difficult and really had to force myself to the point where I was feeling sick. I have grown accustomed and is not bothering me anymore but I definately dont want to have to go through that again.
tread-mNot this round but maybe next round you could incorporate a little ghrp-6 in your runs if you feel like you are forcing food too much. Will help produce a little more stomach ghrelin and run that food through a little quicker. Don't get too worried about it just work the plan, get your 6 meals in and learn your reactions. Some will peak a bit around week 8 or 9 and at that point you may need some tweaks in the kitchen to force a little more out of the cycle and it may even include some additional confusion in the gym but wait it out and work it, no hurries.
To quote fire marshall Bill "Always remember kids..... SAFETY FIRST"
tread-mLol...that's good stuff! Speakiing of, have plenty O protection on hand as your libido explodes, its what firemarshall Bill would want brother.
Already done... Suprising to find out but a 40 year old guy in college is in popular demand. Who would have guessed. Its been fun.
cycle experience?
Its in the post, but to reiterate. 1st cycle
lol the very first sentence. my attention to detail isnt too sharp now is it?!
tread-mLol..did you downvote me?
no, who ever did is retarded tho. lol
tread-mLol...alright thanks brother, I don't care about it other than you wish someone would say why.
Was not me.
lol. No worries happens to the best of us.
tread-mNone
I am also using LIV 52 NAC for liver support.