posted Mon, 09/09/2013 - 05:34
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Please let me know what you think of 1st cycle
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I'm 27 5'11" been working out since 16 been around gear since but never tried it I want to go the next level and wanted to start with
Test 270 two shots a week 10 weeks
Dbol 20mg a day oral for 30 days
Deca 250 for 10 weeks
Proviron
Nolvadex for pct
Please give me your feed back on what you think of this as first cycle.
Thank you brithers
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Mike1982Listen gixxer. There's no way I would pct with all three of those. You might shut down every bit of estrogen in your body and that will effect testosterone in a very undesireable way. It's a fact that some estrogen is needed for tissue growth. Let's look at this in reality. First off nolvadex by itself will stimulate the testicles to put them back online. This is due to the stimulation of the pituitary and the inevitable release of LH (luteinizing hormone) and FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) which without either there is no natural testosterone. What people don't understand yet fully, is that the ancillaries you use could have worse side effects than the gear you use. They are correct when saying you shouldn't use deca the first cycle you run. Just another point I wouldn't use a long ester for your first cycle. If you get undesired effects then you will have to deal with them much longer than running a short ester that will empty out of you faster. Just an idea brother. Plus if you are predisposed in a way to estrogen conversion then a long ester will only make this worse, if only slightly. Now Clomid and nolvadex are damn near interchangeable, with the scientific data showing clomiphene being the slightly weaker of the two, so I just don't see the need or understand why one would run both for pct. Now let's look at aromasin. Actually we need to first understand that estrogen is necessary for healthy joints and a healthy immune system so to take two or even three ancillaries when two of the three are like running test e as opposed to test c, is almost ludicrous. Why would you want to completely shut down your estrogen production when that will hurt you in a very extreme way. it should be known by now that using nolvadex or clomid with arimidex or letro will reduce the blood plasma levels of both of the latter, so that would just be throwing money away. So back to aromasin. The only benefit that can be clearly seen is blood plasma levels will remain when paired with nolvadex or Clomid. It is clear that letro is the best AI but it, in some cases, is so effective that it actually drops estrogen levels too far. The main issue here is that everyone is different and one person can't tell another what to use as all of our bodies are so different. What will work for you may have zero to minimal effect on me. Or could, in effect, hurt you. That's why we need to listen to our bodies and do the research, and not take advice from others that say you need to do THIS or THIS. Because that's just being uninformed of the facts and can very well be dangerous to you. Good luck my friend and educate yourself before you start anything. Make a list of the pros and cons and please listen to your body.
Wow man I am amaze by the knowledge thank you so much. I am starting to get addicted of just all the knowledge I'm learning thank you
Mike1982I'm just curious as to why you guys recommend Clomid, nolvadex, and aromasin all together, and at what doses are you recommending? Thanks guys.
Deca on your first cycle isnt a good mix bro, theres a good few sides you could get from this cycle and you wouldnt know what compound those sides are coming to you from! This is why we tend to advise people to use testosterone only for a first cycle, deca is definetly 100% not good for a first ccle, that stuff can make you lactate, so you would have to get up every morning and instead of shit,shower and shave, you'd have to milk your self like a cow.
In all seriousness i would recommend TestE for 12weeks at 500mg a week split into two injections monday250mg and thursday250mg. Also start your AI on the third week at 6.25mg a day or 12.5mg every other day.
Also your PCT is shit, simple as that. Your post cycle therapy should include Clomid, this is te stuff thats going to kickstart your natural testosterone.
So doses for PCT
Clomid
100/100/50/50
Nolva
40/40/20/20
If you have any questions just FR me and PM me and ill try and answer any questions
Edit: looks like the comments below me already gave u the info u needed, didnt read the comments before mine.
Another question my friend . I got gyno already for messing with a product called havoc rpn is there something I would need before I start my 1 st cycle? Thank you
Depending how long you had it. You can try this.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/treating-gyno-...
Letro is also a viable option but I am unsure what the protocol would be.
Yes, you will need a blood test, this will show where your estradial and testosterone values are. And if it shows you have high estrogen then it would be worth investing into aromasin to bring it down. Because if you start a cycle with a already high estro level, its only going to go up by the androgenic effects of TestE.
X2 on the blood test but depending on how prominent the gyno is you may do better with low doses (very low) of letro. It is really good at eliminating gyno but you should read up on it before you use it. If you have really prominent knots under your nipples and the letro doesn't take care of it the all you got left is surgery to remove the gland. Most insurances will cover this if you say it came on during puberty!
Thank you so much
Awesome thank you so much that was very clear and simple thank you very much
JuiceFreakyou should really just do test your first cycle bro and see how your body reacts to it
this could be real trouble for you are you taking milk thistle? if not you need too
6 weeks prior to starting your cycle in order for the milk thistle to actually protect your liver
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X2 this /\/\/\/\ you don't know how your body will react so only introduce 1 compound at a time my man. If something were to go awry you would t know what was doing it. Research PCT's and AI's too. Your already on the right tract by asking for advice! +1 to you Juice good lookin out.
AnonWhats the test, 270 sounds like sust. If it is, test e or c would be a wiser choice. As already said drop the deca, not too keen on dbol but your choice. You will need clomid with pct. Have a look at baisic first cycles on here to get a better idea.
juice12345678Welcome to the world....
Soooo since this is your first cycle lets keep it easy
Test e or test c at 500 mg a week for 12 weeks
Adex or aromasin for AI
Pct
(Week 1/2/3/4)
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 20/20/10/10
Aromasin 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25
Most disagree with using Dbol on first cycle but I don't mind....so up to you on that one (50 mg a week for 4-6 weeks)
Def. NO Deca on first cycle....wait a few on that one (you'll get a better sense of how to use it and what Caber is etc.)
Best
Is proviron needed as pct ?
juice12345678Nope....proviron is out
I guess I didn't look close enough at that! I believe most would recommend on the nolvadex 40/40/20/20 protocol maybe 40/40/20/10 to have a taper off of the nolve
Thank you after all feed back I'm going with test E 250 twice a week
And dbol oral to be my 1st cycle
And ptc nolvadex n clomid
Thank you guys greatly appreciated
I'd stay away from the dbol too and just run the test e or test c for your first cycle bro. You will have nice gains from the test only trust me. As I said before introduce 1 thing at a time because you do not know how your body will react to it. If something goes wrong you won't know if its the dbol or the test. Plus you will get a better feel for how to use your AI with a slow acting ester. The dbol is fast acting and newbs often yoyo on their AI's because they don't know how to really use it yet. Like aromasin when sides start to show up at around week 3 or 4 you start with 6.25mgs eod and work upward this way you don't carash your estrogen. When you have a better feel for then add a little something to your second cycle like a dbol kicker or a test prop kicker. It's a marathon bro not a sprint. The idea is to do it the healthy way. You'll be happy you did it the right way!
No
No clomid, nolvadex, and aromasin (not needed but some suggest it). Same protocol as said above.
juice12345678Stop....you're saying No Clomid?
Lol no I forgot to separate the 2 statements. It was no to the privion question and the rest was a recommendation. Sorry I should have read over what I said but I think he got it!
Thank you guys
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