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Oral Tren Cycle

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So this isn't my first cycle, PH or gear. I have about 6 real cycles under the belt and a few PH cycles from back in the day.

Before I get into why this has been a great experience so far, I'll provide a quick back story with my stats (since this is always the first comment on most threads.)

5'10 190lbs 12%bf 26 years old. Diet is always the same standard regardless of being on gear or natty. No processed foods, fast food, or anything generally accepted as unhealthy (aside from the occasional cheat meal or two.) "Clean" diet of around 3,000 cals from your optimal macro bodybuilder nutrition plan. Multi-vitamin changes each month just for shits and giggles. On gear can be anywhere from 3,000-5,000+ depending on goals. I took a solid 2 months off for my newborn before gettin back in the gym for the last month but I was 180 and 8%bf near the end of my last real cycle of test p, npp, masterone, and winny about 8 months ago.

Aaaaaaanyway, I recently moved to censored from Censored and was a little concerned with shipping gear (from the source i used from this site many times before) because i dont know if its as easy as it was to get it in ohio as it was in florida. So i did a bit of research and found a PH that actually converts to tren in the body, unmethylated, stacked with a methylated dymethazine.

So far, I'm two weeks in taking 240mg tren and 80mg dymethazine per day. Before you guys flame me, i have done the research and i have tried real tren before to know how my body reacts to different dosages. Im assuming this is converting at around 20% so thats why Im giving this protocol a solid run and sticking with it.

I have been taking bromo at 2.5mg per day split in half doses with udca, liv-13, and the extra bit of milk thistle included in the PH blend.

Will run this for 4 weeks with real pct that I had leftover from last cycle that'll be clomid nolva and then aromisin after the clo and nolva end.

As I said I am two weeks in and loving it. Eating about 3-5k cals training like a monster and growing like a mutant. Ok it's a little exaggerated growth wise, but I'm getting much more out of this ph than I expected. Strength up, all day energy up, vascularity up which usually doesn't happen unless I'm 8-10% bf, major and I mean MAJOR pumps in the gym. Put an inch on my arms already. Most lifts are up weight and rep wise but I like to focus on the aesthetic changes as I can make strength gains no problem naturally.

Burning fat and buildin muscle that's what it's all about right? Well, with this I'm doing that and not holding any extra water or having any unwanted sides aside from constant aggression. Best part is, no night sweats or vivid dreams like the oil gives me.

I guess I'm just making a log and I'm open for all comments and questions. Will post updates as I go along. I know what all my max lifts are and I'm gonna wait until the middle of week 3 to really try and set some PRs to boast and brag about. I usually used to run cycles with my bro down south but since I've moved up north I'm going solo and that's probably why I'm looking to keep a log here.

Obviously supplementing my whey protein shakes, hypershock pre workout, no synthesize intra workout, and taking the PH with breakfast and lunch and hitting the gym in the early evening.

The PHs are:

Estra-4,9,11-triene-3,17-dion

17b-hydroxy-2a,17b-dimethyl-5a-androstan-3-one-azine

MedDx's picture

What did your pre-cycle bloodwork values reveal?

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

First i saw all the different compounds then i saw 190lbs then sat back and just laughed!!.......... then! i realised that you are not a Bodybuilder so i apologise......... enjoy yourself.. good luck Smile

Nitti's picture

Talking about max lifts, pumps in the gym ,getting big,... Sounds like a bodybuilder. What'd I miss?

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Bodybuilders dont use all the shit he has listed........... Bodybuilders use food!...... this guy is a supp companys dream.

PHs are a fkn no - no in real Bodybuilders worlds.

ash48's picture

that's some very over looked advice right there bro....

BODYBUILDERS USE FOOD!

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Dickkhead's picture

Burning fat and building muscle that's what it's all about right?

Not exactly. I just want you to look at the pictures at the bottom of this article and really let it sink in.

http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/too-much-oral-...

Ya. U need a blood test so u can make any adjustments required.

MedDx's picture

Definitely agree with getting bloodwork. Right on.

irongame427's picture

Less results more damage to the body and feeling like shit the entire cycle. Seems like a solid plan.

tzelukie's picture

Risky business! Just my opinion, we don't advise or recomend on this sight...

tonytulo's picture

k I figured id take a few breaths and type this up for you.....pro hormones imo are shit to many risk factors tbh each legit steroid compound has its make up and you know whats in it along with its carrier agent, pro hormones theres a lot of "proprietary" bullshit basically you have no clue whats in it. k I could've gone on a ton with that alone but forget it we don't advise ph here. now what are your goals exactly? bodybuilder, physique ,looking buff at the beach? with a diet that is 3000 to 5000 which is a crazy jump whats your daily intake not "well its about 3000" with the cycles your doing slash done I hope you have a goal of some sort. im also curious what your cycle history is because you say you've ran 6 cycles in the past not counting the shit hormones ,no im assuming you didn't do this in a year hence being over 25 for advice here, that aside current cycle history is a must. next do you do blood work/ done any , because I see a lot of orals all ph are orals and can cause serious damage just as oral peds can. I mean its a marathon not a race. ill wait for you to respond before I continue.

teesquaredt2's picture

Well in my opinion there is an uncertainty risk involved with taking anything unless its regulated (and even then, the american regulatory agencies are fucked anyway...I can go on and on about sodium fluoride being added to the drinking water) but I digress. The risks IMO of shooting oils that come from overseas are the same as taking PHs are (in this regard) because I dont know if anyone tampered with the vials and replaced legit juice with fake and then are just really good at reclamping and wrapping them back up in plastic...just like someone can put anything in their proprietary blends.

Having said that, I followed reviews on the company I selected to try and went with what I thought was the best choice. My goals are to look as good as I can. People can flame me yet again and talk all the shit they want but my aesthetic goals are no different than whatever your goals are because they are your goals and yours only...nobody can discredit whatever your goals are because it doesnt match their ideologies of what steroids are meant to be used for. So yeah, bigger faster stronger leaner and more vascular is always going to be my goal. Im not trying to step on stage to compete and Im not trying to gain an unfair advantage in a sporting event.

tonytulo's picture

k so you didn't answer my question about blood work........ so you think its worth the risk to know your getting certain bullshit with ph's paying whatever they cost, and you justify that by saying well someone could tamper with your vials or it could be unsanitary ? comparing it to water with chemical treatment ....are you serious bro? pharma grade ????, and not all labs are ugl some are big businesses with a lot of clients , employees etc etc but anyways. reviews on the company most likely on its page / or one way or another its votes are swayed by the company and people who don't know their ass from their elbow. your goals are to look as good as you can ... mine to also I compete but I will not sacrifice my life for it sorry , and with a bunch of oral bullshit that has all the risks and down sides of peds and 1/10th of the upsides if that oral tren smfh so why exactly is it worth the risks to your liver ,kidneys , heart, bp , etc etc etc etc because if you've put even half of your energy into research youd know the vast side effects that vary from minimal to pretty serious. an if you start screwing your self up a little more seriously think about it. I mean a lot of people thought zyzz looked great, an he thought he was god, you think the good aesthetics look good when your in a box because shit failed? just saying man I have nothing else to say, but its guys like you that give us younger guys a bad name on here, im just trying to change that outlook on you and I but now I can see where the older crowd are coming from......................

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

X2..................... nice and honest post... +3

I see you trying brother i really do but you know what!.... he aint hearin bro

vhman's picture

he aint hearin bro

Ain't that the truth.

GRIMEY's picture

The risks IMO of shooting oils that come from overseas are the same as taking PHs are (in this regard) because I dont know if anyone tampered with the vials and replaced legit juice with fake and then are just really good at reclamping and wrapping them back up in plastic.

This is possibly the most idiotic thing I've read in a while. You really think they are gonna go through all that trouble to get the $0.50 - $5.00 of the "legit juice" out of the vial and replace it with "fake"? geeeeeze

PH's are horrible for you, plain and simple.

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Doss's picture

You're prolly not gonna get the sorts of responses you hoped for tbh. PH's is not something that we fool with around here, and def not something we give advice about.

I could go on and on about how and why i think you should not fk yourself up with this garbage, but I doubt it would matter. I would however like to encourage you to do a bit of research on the mechanisms behind how prohormones are converted to the alleged active hormones. Then go further into what that process does to your body. It's not healthy in any way.

Now you said you've ran tren before. Would you mind telling me/us about the experience? How long you ran it. What doses. What side effects you got, if any.

teesquaredt2's picture

I know people get all butt hurt about the subject...and I do respect everyones opinion...but Im more sharing this as food for thought and kind of open for discussion type deal.

As I said I'm just keeping a log here, not really looking for people's advice as to what I should take or why the juice is a better alternative. I appreciate your concern and I'll look more into the process as you said.

Ive ran tren ace twice, once at the end of a 14 weeks test e equipoise stack and once thru a 6 week test p, winny, and tren ace stack. The test e was 750mg, eq was 900mg, and tren was 500 for weeks 9-14. Had all the good ancillaries and pct. Experienced a nice hardening and energy/aggression boost since the effects of the test leveled off around week 9...so that was good. Acne night sweats and lucid terrible dreams were my only problems after adding the tren which was probably from having the test a little high. Recovered just fine and took 5 months off.

The next time I had the 6 week stack and experienced very nice overall body recomp that you read about. Muscles looked separated and vascular. Strength was skyrocketing...really liked feeling the strength gains usually experienced from the winny combined with the aggression and power of the tren. Test p was 600mg, tren was 500mg/wk and winny was 100mg/day.

In the past ive tried masteron, npp, deconate, m1t, epistane, sust-250, igf-lr3, ghrp-6, cjc 12whatever the number is i think 1295 w/o dac, and tb-500 all at different times and in no particular order.

vhman's picture

I know people get all butt hurt about the subject...and I do respect everyones opinion...but Im more sharing this as food for thought and kind of open for discussion type deal.

As I said I'm just keeping a log here, not really looking for people's advice as to what I should take or why the juice is a better alternative. I appreciate your concern and I'll look more into the process as you said.

You obviously don't care what folks say, so good luck with re-creating the wheel. That's always a great plan.
When you post, you will get advice and opinions. Not sure what you're looking for, besides a co-sign, which you can see, you won't get.
Folks here are always willing to help if you're willing to listen.

teesquaredt2's picture

Not looking for a co sign, ha. And like I said I'm not on here asking people what my doses should be or what ancillaries to run, etc. just keeping a log and letting anyone chime in who cares to good or bad

GRIMEY's picture

As I said I'm just keeping a log here, not really looking for people's advice as to what I should take or why the juice is a better alternative.

If you are not looking for advice why are you posting it?

Also, of you are looking to keep a log as you stated, perhaps posting this in the Cycle Logs section would be more appropriate.

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teesquaredt2's picture

Yeah ill move over to that, wasnt aware there was a difference