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NPP/TEST PROP

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Age : 34
Height 5'9"
Weight 187 lbs

Been running gear since about 25. For the first 5 years or so it was test only cycles with an oral kicker sometimes. Id do a cycle then come off. For the last 3 or so years Ive started building bigger cycles. My first big cycle was about 3 years ago. old school cycle of Test E 600 mg a week, Nandralone Decanoate 500 mg a week, Dbol at 40 mg ED. then my AI which was 1 mg adex every day. I know what youre thinking, "geez 1mg everyday?" but Im a have a high rate of conversion. even at 300 mg i can take .5 adex everyday and not crash out. but i digress. that cycle was pretty successful. I have some pics somewhere from that cycle. Now, my last cycle ill admit was probably pretty big but it ended up being successful as well. I have this cycle posted here somewhere and pictures. This was the best Ive looked considering Im not trying to step on stage and Im only 5'9" on a small frame. I'll go ahead and list the cycle but it is on the forum. 600 mg Test E a week, 600 mg EQ a week, 400 mg Mast a week, 50 mg Anavar ED, 100 mg Proviron ED, 4 IU Growth ED and 1 mg adex everyday. I have blood work on this one as well on the forum. the doctor said my lipids were great considering the amount of gear I was on. Shes a tight Dr btw, she knows what Im doing and doesnt say anything unless its to help me out. The only thing she was concerned about was My E2 being a little high, which was fixed, and my creatitine levels which werent that bad. again, blood work posted on this. I ended this cycle a year ago. Anyway, sorry for the lengthy Bio. I just know allot of the vets here like to have info on guys that dont post much asking questions on an upcoming cycle.

So, this will be my first time running shorter esters. So I was wanting advice on AI protocol, but in the end i know its dependent on the person. This is what Im working with.

NPP 100
Test Prop 100
Dbol 10 mg tablets
Proviron 50 mg tablets
Growth
AI
Caber

I want to run the Test p and NPP and 150 mg on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday evening. putting me at 450 a week of each with dbol being at 40 mg ED. I just dont want to commit to ED pinning unless its just otherwise suggested. Ive read that you can run NPP EOD no problem but Test P may be better at ED dosages.

Supplements -
Fish oil
Vitamin C
Vitamin D3
Vitamin B12
Vitamin B3
Vitamin k2 mk7
Ubiquonol
tumeric
Magnesium
zinc
creatine
cardarine
EAA/BCAA with collagen
Sorry but i dont care for multi vitamins

Diet usually stays the same

4 whole eggs, 4 egg whites, 2 cups oatmeal, banana and bagel at breakfast
Chicken or beef, white rice or pasta, veggies (usually) at lunch
Peanut butter jelly sandwich on whole grain bread pre workout
50 mg whey protein 50 mg simple carbs post workout
dinner is usually a toss up of whatever the ole lady makes or wants. fish, white rice, steak, sweet potato. anything really I guess.
before i hit the bed ill mix up some cottage cheese, greek vanilla yogurt, and chocolate casein protein and honestly, its pretty damn good.
I try to get 4000 calories a day.

I know Ill catch some kind of heat for this post and some may say it looks ok. Promise I wont respond with a butt hurt rebuttal so shoot your shot I guess.
Thanks in advance

bigfunaghn's picture

For AI it's totally individual. I'd use the same with short esters as you'd use for longer on the same compounds (ie 500mg of Test E and 500mg of Test P should be roughly the same - forget about ester weight as we are already in individual trial/error though some will say short esters aromatize less so error on the low side). Anyway the only difference will be that you you will heat peak levels, both test and aromatizing test, more quickly than with long so you'd want to be at your main AI dose within the first two weeks. From there it's trial and error by "feels" or bloods. I'd go by feel for a few weeks and get bloods if you really want to know.

Best I can do to help you but that's where I'd start and how I'd approach. I've used both short/long numerous times - doesn't make that much of a difference except when scaling blood levels up and speed of each.

papa.smurf0311's picture

thats how i usually do it is go about two weeks then get bloods. just wasnt sure if the shorter esters make test aromatize faster that longer ester or what not. but i guess ill find out and get bloods done.

Sasquach07's picture

So what’s your exact question on this? I have all the other info to help, but are you asking for a full protocol? I just want some clarity my friend.

This is kind of tough for anyone to help just due to you taking what you have in the past without crashing. You’re going to be a tough case because you’re outside the normal.

papa.smurf0311's picture

I suppose Im basically looking for a normal AI protocol with short esters. is it typically EOD still? I know I have a rapid rate of conversion and im sure ill figure it out like I always do but just seeing what everyone else usually does to get a good idea.