NPP @100mg EOD causing Deca dick, anyone able to help?
past 3 cycles have been test only;
500mg test E a wk for 12wks
400mg test E a wk for 12 wks
500 mg Test E a wk for 12 wks, with a 3 wk prop 50mg ED to start and last 3 wks dropped test E and prop to finish.
Now im just over 3 wks into an 8 wk Prop and NPP cycle( 150prop, 100 NPP eod)
I have been taking .50mg of caber every 3rd day, and .25 adex every 3rd day as well.
I have also been taking 25mg of Proviron a day.
Compared to my last cycles i don't have the sex drive i did, my morning wood isin't there and the erections are not quite there.
I'm not sure if I've dropped my E2 too low and that's what causing the issues or if some how its a high prolactin/ E2 problem..
I took 50mg of proviron this morrning and I felt a little better today, so maybe that the key, 50mg's a day?
Any ideas?
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Try backing off caber to 0.25 mg e3d and see how u feel. Too much caber will give you ED and other kind of problems. I would up the Provirion to 50 mg / day. Why an 8 week cycle of shorts? If this is a bulker u could extend to at least 12 weeks . . . just sayin . . . Trying to maximize how many cycles u can safely run per year??? Just guessing . . . .
I chose 8 wks, because that is what i had read was the most appropriate length for short esters.
My cycle did get drawn out to 10 wks, due to a wk long work trip and needing to use test E for that wk.
But pinning every day for 2 months is a chore- pinning everyday for 3 months... that's not for me.
So did end up figuring out the issue? Was it the Caber? or was it the Nandro and Test ratio? I was thinking of use the same Caber but can't find any reviews for it
All ancillaries were pharmacy grade, so they were good.
My body needed the 2:1 ratio for deca.
Your recommend celon labs? its friggin dirt cheap compared to domestic. Want to start a tren cycle, but want to make sure I use a good caber, last thing I need is lactation!
Buildbigger86MY man i have run npp at 500+ a week a dick is rock solid alll boyyyyy. But yes listen to nitti use caber or prami
If you're using caber at that dose and have these sides, something is wrong with your caber. I can use 200mg of tren Ed with a test base of 250mg ew and not only does everything function properly but my libido is insanely high on good caber. But your nandro dose is also too high for that test dose imo
The caber is from a Pharma company in Inda, Celon laboratories. I'm trusting my source and believe its good.
If the 0.5mg of caber every3rd day is too much, what do you recommend as an more appropriate dose?
Also I have adjusted my NPP/Prop ratio to 75/150 EOD, as well as upped my Proviron( Bayer) to 50mg.
and so far I'm feeling better. not 100% but defentely better.
cbrant10I am about to start a cycle just like this except I am adding ewinny the last 5 weeks. You got me all scared now lol. I was going to run test p @ 150 eod and npp at 100 eod. I got prami but no proviron so I hope I don't run into any wood issues!
Anon100 - 150 is not a good relationship between your test dose and your nandrolone dose . Generally speaking I would suggest you start with double the test. So if you are pinning 100 mg of nandrolone you should be hitting 200 of test.
The caber and proviron are great, but get that test/nandro ratio right first
I did a bunch of reading on NPP vs Prop doses prior to starting the cycle, and the most common dosages i saw were the 100 npp and 150prop eod.
there were also both sides of the equation such as cycles with 1:1 or the 2:1 ratio, and alot of talk for decanoate at the 2:1 ratio but not NPP( yes i know same active hormone, different ester)
So until i can get an appointment for bloods, i'll be attempting the 75mg NPP and 150 prop eod. and the 50 mg of proviron.
AnonThats fine if you want to drop the NPP instead of increasing the test.
As far as Deca and NPP you just have to think of it as nandrolone , the effect the hormone has with either ester is very similar . Especially the way they can effect sexual performance .
You may have seen people running different ratios , but it is most likely the case that those people had adjusted to that ratio after working with that compound a bit. It is widely agreed that a starting point is 2 : 1 , some even need to increase test beyond that , where as others can lower it.
I'll tell you another big problem.
The PhenylProp ester is short, but it isnt that short . Really 3-4 day injections are best . So you have coupled this drug with Test Prop and since you are injecting every other day your levels of nandrolone are rising steadily above your test levels.
Thanks Noviceass,
I'm one of those people that believes 'more isint necessarily better' and after seeing the comment of NPP being a slightly longer half life than prop, im glad im dropping the npp to 75mg. I just hope 300mg a wk is enough.
So far (aside from the aforementioned issues) Im liking the prop/npp cycle. Slow but steady gains, very little water retention.
AnonI run NPP my self , I like it.
300/600 will be fine . Good luck
alright so, up the proviron to 50 mg a day, drop the NPP to 75mg EOD and see how that feels,
it will take at least a wk to get another blood appointment.
I'll read up on the B6 advice.
thanks guys.
go buy some vitamin b 6 and run it @ 600mg/day
its Bayer Proviron, Sun Pharma, caber and Zidus healthcare Adex. so all pharma grade, im trusting its good.
and no I haven't done blood cause it only been 3 wks. I didn't plan on doing blood tests every 4 wks.
Well nandrolone in general causes decreased sex drive/limp dick for lots of people even when prolactin is under control.
You got a few options. Increase Proviron dose, increase test dose, decrease npp dose, or wait for caber to kick in more. Many people prefer their test dose to be 2x their nandrolone dose. Also it could very well be an estrogen issue, either too high or too low. Likely too high. But like mexy said below: get blood test!
AnonWell bloods would help but yes I wouldn't run proviron any lower than 50mg day. 25mg doesn't do much for me at all. U need bloods to isolate the issue. It could be the ancillaries being sub par or they're working too good and ur e2 crashed. Bloods bloods bloods
Why shoot in the dark? Have you taken a blood test to isolate the issue? Your caber could be working perfectly well and you have low prolactin levels but your E2 is too high or vice versa.
Who's caber are we using?
And maybe your estro is too low?
make sure your caber is legit
I agree with this which is likely your issue. I prefer Prami as it is easy to find and cheap.