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hey, I heard that it's not good to use nolva for gyno while on tren?
any suggestions.
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hey, I heard that it's not good to use nolva for gyno while on tren?
any suggestions.
RustyhookerBreast tenderness and breast lumps. Leaking nips on other med site is cited. Progesterone sides.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a604017.html
RustyhookerProlactin causing gyno
http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endocrine/hypopit/prolacti...
Rustyhookerhttp://www.uptodate.com/contents/high-prolactin-levels-and-prolactinomas...
lol I think he meant progestrone
shit gets confusing
You could get a blood test and find out what your estrogen and prolactin levels are. That is cheap easy and takes very little time to do. I would do this.
You do not understand. It might not be estrogen. You could take all the Aromasin,Armidex, letro ect you want and it might not help.
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There are three types of gyno;
- Estrogen gyno
- Progesterone gyno
- Prolactin gyno
An AI will only cover the estro gyno,
would you please explain "progesterone gyno" please?
A lot of people believe that because tren and deca are progestins that they cause progesterone gyno. Progestins and progesterone are NOT the same thing.
I wrongly assumed they were linked and have knowledge now that they are mutually exclusive.
Progesterone acts with estrogen separately from prolactin.
No such thing as "prolactin induced gyno" (prove me wrong)
ive never found a study, but there is ALOT of bro science that concurs that it does exist.
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I thought they functioned the same. never really looked into it. Just as long as I know what drugs and when to take them I am good.
what one is natural?
naturally people get estrogen related gyno.
Progesterone is a precursor to testosterone and regulates estrogen.
Prolactin gyno is due to low dopamine levels. Prolactin regulates dopamine. Prolactin is released after orgasm which is what causes the "feel good feeling" to stop shortly after. (by lowering dopa)
I am not fully aware of HOW tren and deca cause this gyno - prolactin. I believe one of the mechanisms that causes it is the lowering of thryroid hormone. T3 also has an effect on prolactin. Typically people with hyperthyroid never have "gyno" where heavier people (hypothyroid) have more issues with gyno.
Remember T3 is a hormone in the body but acts as a neurotransmitter in the brain. It is sometimes used in addition to antidepressants to help control depression.
A lot of this stuff is tricky and the endocrine system is very complex. Mostly because an imbalance in one hormone causes another hormone to be too high or too low. Example when test is too low progesterone will cause a raise in test levels, the raise in test levels will cause a raise in estrogen levels. Progesterone is low when test is high. When test is high estrogen is high. When test is low progesterone is high and estrogen is low.
dont you think the natural gyno is from the same reason as if aas user gets gyno just a imbalance of hormones.
Thanks for the clarification. +1
...and caber, prami and bromo cover prolactin - http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/how-to-contro...
RustyhookerNever ever run DBOL as a PCT! Caber! You didn't research right and need to or save up $2k for gyno surgery.
Dbol converts heavily to estrogen. So never ever add estrogen at pct! It also keeps you shut down. You should be running an AI AND CABER.
I do not think the guy is looking for help. I think he just likes starting threads.
RustyhookerI agree brother. Read several and he's either a troll or just wants titties.
I hope he post pics of the man tits. I love bitch tits. Its hard to stop looking. I have 2 friends that have really bad gyno. 1 was from being given a steriod by doctor as a kid and the other was running tren with nothing else except some over the counter test boost and milk thistle. Those 2 with their shirts off just make me laugh so fucking hard. they get so mad when you call them titties.
RustyhookerGive em a flick! Lmao! I remember about 6months ago foljs in bro-science boasting use of dbol in pct. I posted full reply of why its bad...blah blah. Newbs jumped on thinking they foynd a new way to grow after cycle. Just gotta smh and keep movin. Lol!
I would love to find a magical bridge. Still looks like gh is the only one.
use letro if its estro, i have used both letro and nolva. only thing is there will be sexual dysfunction
you cant just say letro is the answer.That is wrong
its a possible answer
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There are three types of gyno;
- Estrogen gyno
- Progesterone gyno
- Prolactin gyno
An AI will only cover the estro gyno,
P if you don't mind please give more info about "progesterone gyno"
I don't think progesterone itself causes gyno.
yeah what he said
Are you getting gyno?
i started feeling a little pain in nips, and i can feel a little hardness, it happened to me before, and i used arimidex, it went away the same week...but now i have nolva and i heard its not good while on tren.
so is it estrogen or prolactin causing the problem?
what is your cycle and what was your previous cycles?
my cycle now is:
all lixus products:
300 mg test p/w
300 mg mast/w
300 mg tren/w
this past week , ive been adding some primo and reducing the amount of tren and mast.
with the cycle you are running we need to know about how your past cycles went. See there could be 2 reasons why you are getting gyno. You said you had this happen before what was your cycle then?
almost the same, always the same products. btw, the nipple looked back then and now totally normal, as for color and shape and everything, it just feel a little sore when u press on it..so u think this is prolactin and if its , whats the best to use for it.
so you was running tren then too?
yeah. and i used arimidix, just about 10 mg in about 20 days and that was it,
pct, i ran clomid and nolva and some hgh, with only 10 mg d bol ed, but i had to stop training for a while, so i stopped taking everything and i came back slowly with a kick start of d bol, and sust, and then started thge cycle i told u about, been on it for about 6 weeks, i wanna go for 16 weeks this time, ive done so many cycles and been training for a while, but this the first time i wanna take it to the next level, with lean muscle and low bf%
Do you have caber or prami? Do you have letro,armidex,aromasin?Provi?
Without blood work you will just have to throw medicine at it. Unless you have ran test without tren before.
i always use the "cut stack" cycle, which comes a mix of tren, test p, and masteron at 150 or 225
This is why 1st cycle should be test only and you should only add 1 compound on a cycle. Now you do not have a clue what your body is reacting to.
i believe in either "do it" or just "don't". if i wanna stay scared from this and that and with these low doesed gears out there, and with a low carb diet, i won't ;look the way i wanna look.
lol well do what you do. I guess the look you are going for is a set of bitch tits.
lol, i wish u can c me personally, i believe that ur jaw will hit the floor like everyother one at the gym.
Wardi77bro you have said that several times since you started posting yesterday....post a pic and end it already.
wait for a few weeks when everyone says man that guy is huge but look at those titties
what can i do ha? lol...btw, i dont like starting threads, I was honestly looking for some answers, but i guess that u know better, it appears that i can google that and get a better solution. for real guys, if someone knows the best way to keep estrogen at low levels say something, because if u add some primo, usually u dont have to use an AI during cycle.
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