Next Deca Cycle
Last time I ran a Deca cycle it was 500 test c, 400 deca, and 250 Mast E. The muscle gains were great, the strength gains were great, joints felt good and I didn’t ever want to leave the gym. The overall experience was amazing and sides were minimal. Of course I had caber and ai on hand just in case and I was also running 4-6 iu HGH as well.
Sometime in the future I will be running another deca cycle again. With Mast E being difficult/expensive to obtain obviously my approach must be altered.
I’m thinking of running 500 sus week 1-20, 400 deca week 1-20, 200 NPP week 1-4, and 100 npp week 5-6 on a 20 week cycle. I’ll be cruising on 250 test c until this cycle begins.
I’d like to run some eq instead of Mast E but it takes so long to build up I’m afraid I won’t have much estrogen control besides an ai. I’m debating on running proviron at .25 mg per day week 1-20 instead of eq OR running proviron AND eq for week 1-10 and drop the proviron around week 10 to let the eq be the main estrogen regulator.
Any thoughts or input is very welcome. I won’t be starting this cycle for quite some time so I can iron out the details.
Thanks!
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25mg is a dose you take while cruising on a low dose test, like under 200mg ew. Not 500 plus some deca. 50mg would be the minimum. Some guys go higher like 75-100 but 50 has always been my sweet spot.
You’re starting to make this way too complicated with switching drugs and trying to predict when one will kick in. Just run the proviron at 50mg ed throughout the cycle starting on day 1. Just remember drugs like mast and proviron don’t lower estrogen, they block the effects of estrogen, so basically same difference in the end. But this effect is stronger in some than others so keep an AI on hand just in case.
How long can I run proviron at 50mg/day?
How long should I wait to increase proviron if I feel like my estrogen isn’t being controlled enough?
I have Aromasin and letrozole on hand as well as caber.
Do you prefer to take AI prior to high estrogen signs or wait till a high estrogen symptom appears before administering the AI? I’ve heard arguments both ways but I’m interested in your thoughts. Obviously weekly or even daily bloodwork would be optimal but I personally can’t do that haha.
I think I like the idea of saving my eq for a test/eq cycle so using proviron not only makes this simpler but will save my eq for a later cycle.
Proviron isn’t liver toxic and it’s mild so there shouldn’t be any issue running it all 20 weeks. I’ve ran it longer than that.
Regarding when to take an AI. Only when you’re trying something new should you wait, cause you don’t know. If you’ve ran the cycle before you should know whether or not you need an AI and if you know you need it then start it before it becomes a problem. But here you don’t one how well proviron will do at controlling your estrogen so id wait and see. Did you need any Ai on with mast? If so you’ll likely need it with proviron.
Proviron is an awesome addition to any cycle. It lowers SHBG which increases free test, it makes you feel good, makes your sex drive almost annoyingly high. And because of the estrogen blocking effects it dries you out and hardens you up and makes you more vascular, I’m just on TRT these days, or I guess I should call it TRT+ but I added 50mg of proviron and over the course of 3-4 weeks I lost somewhere around 6-8lbs probably mostly all water. While eating in a surplus the entire time.
Bloodwork won’t necessarily tell you the whole story when you’re blocking estrogen with proviron or mast vs lowering it with an AI. Because your estrogen levels can be high but it have virtually no effect on you because your blocking it’s effects. So monitor the symptoms, not so much the levels. But if you’re way high on bloodwork then you might want to consider an Ai. I can’t tell you what the effects are of a lot of unbound free floating Estrogen that’s not doing anything. May be no problem, or not. I just don’t know.
On cycle I’d get bloods starting after 4 or 5 full weeks on. Then every month after. Shit can change quick so you want to stay on top of it. My hematocrit jumped 4% in 6 weeks on a low dose NPP, as well as my RBC and hemoglobin. It could have happened in 4 weeks but idk since I didn’t get bloods until 6. But going through marek and piecing together the basics, CBC, comprehensive metabolic (CMP) and lipids cost $32. Probably don’t even need to do lipids every 4 weeks. If your test levels and estrogen look good at the 5 or 6 week bloods you don’t really need to do them again and can just do CBC and CMP for $22 to keep an eye on the important bio markers. But Adding test LC/MS and estrogen LC/MS sensitive is about another $90.
Marek seems significantly cheaper than the private med labs I’ve been using. Thanks for the heads up on that one!
As always, you are a vast store of knowledge and a great help! Needless to say I plan on running the proviron at 50mg per day from day 1 and watching for sides along the way.
Thanks, @irongame427!
Way cheaper bro. I used to use privateMd, I don’t anymore. IGF-1 is $100 at private Md and only $40 on marek. You can’t piece together tests on privateMd, you have to buy their pre designed panels and they’re expensive. Marek you can buy each set of tests individually so you only get what you need, and it’s just cheaper in general.
That’s awesome! Bloodwork was close to if not the biggest expense of my AAS endeavors and to be able to save money on that front is more money for the fun stuff haha
I forgot to ask you if you split your proviron doses morning and night or take them all in one go when you take 50mg or more.
Yes I split it 25mg am and 25mg pm. It has a 12hr half life so taking it twice a day will keep things more stable.
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Damn dude, that’s way cheaper. $4 for CBC, $5 for CMP. No excuse not to get monthly blood work on cycle when it costs $9. IGF-1 is $27. Total and free test MS $15. Can’t beat this. I thought marek was a deal coming from private Md but this is on another level.
For that price, weekly or bi-weekly is also doable if you wanna check blood that often for whatever reason.
That’s questionably cheap but I’m not gonna go asking questions. I’m just gonna try the cheap bloodwork lol --
quest or labcorp is who’s taking your blood and analyzing the sample so there’s nothing to worry about in terms of quality.
This keeps getting better haha
Hellogoodlabs is way cheaper than marek.
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Thanks!
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Hell yeah! Thanks man!