posted Wed, 06/03/2015 - 13:05
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im 26, 5 foot 9 weigh 189 bf 12%
ive ran 4 tren cycles
seeing what anyone thinks of this cycle
so id be as follows
week 1-8 test enan 500 mgs
week 8-14 250 mgs test enanthate
week 1-4 tbol 50 mgs ed
week 6-12 tren enan 75 mg eod which is 300 mg a w
winny week 6-10 50 mg ed
hgh frag 5 ius 2 times daily
will have adex at .25 ed
prami at 8 iu for about 4 weeks than work up to 15 iu
goals to lean out a little more and get harder
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thanks for not letting me screw myself over greatly appreciated all
ya seriously thank you all for your experience and knowledge, now i have a good cycle and diet plan and workout plan, appreciate it so much guys
You should be all set to go, so the success of this cycle is all on your shoulders now. Stay dedicated to your diet and training and I can't see how it wouldn't turn out to be a great cycle.
RustyhookerReading thru this forum....damn nice! A real forum just went down! Ya'll did awesome!
gym first week
monday-chest bis
tuesday-legs
wednesday-shoulders,trap,forearms
thursday-back and tris
day off than go again but switch to cheat and tris, and back and bis, my lifts are decent max bench 365, max squat 405, shoulder press is 225, tbar row is 6 45s
RustyhookerThat's a basic off cycle setup. How many sets, reps, variables/angles
Example
6-8 sets decline 12 reps with drops to failure
6-8 sets flat same method
6-8 sets incline same method
Then flies
6-8 sets flats.. 12 drops on each set to failure
6-8 sets incline flies same method
6-8 sets decline same method
Then cables til dead
Then it's triceps...All angles using above methods, then calves, abs...finish 30 minutes cardio
That's my day 1. I did that this morning. And I just finished 6th meal with 2 left.
Gains will be easy and kept by upping intensity and adjust calories for output. Too fat, up cardio, drop cheap carbs, add in essential oils.
Day 1 posted
Day 2 legs
Day 3 back, bis, calves
Day 4 delts, bis tris calves...blitz the arms for pump. Delts use method up top.
Off day...cardio only. Repeat.
ultimate goal is 10 lbs lbm, but keeping fat gain down, diets in check
i have 4 test enanthate 300 mgs, 2 tri tren at 300 mgs, 1 thing of dbol 30 caps 50 mgs, 2 things of winny 50 mgs each, 1 tren enanthate 250 mgs
what would you guys suggest? im thinking of running cycle i posted below
This diet protocol should help with your goal.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/i-know-my-tdee%E2%80%A...
damn bro thabks for that good info, so my tdee is 2700 so cool 2700 first week, 2950 second week, 3200 third week, 3450 fourth week, than get lbm and recalculate, cool bro awesome post much appreciated, any suggestion for macros?
Looks like you got the hang of it. The most important thing here is protein. You should be at a minimum of 1.5g/lb bodyweight. I like to push that higher while on cycle to around 1.75 or 2g/lb of bodyweight when bulking. So starting out at 1.5g/lb would put you at around 285g protein which is 1140 calories. For carbs I would shoot for around 225g (900 cals) and fats around 75g (675 cals). That puts you at around 2700 cals to start. If you feel like you need more energy up the carbs when you up the cals the following week. If you have plenty of energy, then up the protein and leave the carbs/fat where they are.
What I think complements this diet is the workout program I put together. You will see in the program that each week you increase the workout intensity which coincides with your increase in cals. As you up the intensity you are upping the calories to go along with it. The diet and workout program kind of work synergistcally together.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/workout-exercise/pa...
damn bro thanks a bunch for helping me out, wow you got a lot of knwledge on everything, thanks bro, ill try out your routine and see how it goes thanks brother
That routine should give you at least 6 weeks maybe even 8 weeks (2 full cycles of it) until you hit a plateau. You may get longer out of it depending on your workout experience. It lasted me 6 weeks until I switched over to a different routine. Once you hit a plateau, we can switch you over to a different routine to finish out your cycle.
cool bro thanks a lot ill try out the routine and do diet as follows, thanks gave me a lot there
RustyhookerCycle is garbage. It's really that bad. Cut or bulk...pick one. I've tried combos like you're asking and never ever success.
And cutting or bulking is food choices and gym. Eat big as fking and you'll bulk. Big divided super clean meals...cut. gear is only a repair tool
Let me reiterate what Rusty said so it get's through. CUT or BULK. Personally you should cut off as much fat as you can, then start with a clean canvas.
so what do you think bro maybe no tren? maybe something just like 500 mgs test e a week, with tbol week 1-5 25 mgs ed, just something aimple
RustyhookerSimple yes. Basic 500 test and tbol week 8-14 when pct starts. It's really foods. The higher you go on harsh gear, bigger the crash. Know the foods and life will be cake.
The guys below are awesome with foods
cool bro ur right ill try the cycle, so just run 500 mg test e for 14 weeks straight?
RustyhookerBase cycle 1-12 test at 500. Week 14 pct starts. Tbol tail end will harden and boost.
Do you have pct? And positively...bloods week 5!!!
Before you start need full workouts to line you up. Also, the foods bosses...you gotta get that on point. You'll add 15 easy if all that's there
yes pct will be clomid 100/75/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20
chestand bis day is 4 sets flat bench, 4 sets ez bar curl/wide grip than close grip, 4 sets dumbell incline press at 2 angle straight to sides up and down and making a diamond with weights as well, one drop set as a 5th with all of these workouts
decline bench 4 sets with a drop set
preecher curl with ez bar, close and wide 4 sets
hammer curls standing 4 sets, straight up, and moving angle towards bicep more when coming up for better contraction
cable flys up 4 sets straight up and together and also turning inside of wrist in together for a better squueze
cable flys down 4 sets, crossing hands over eachother both ways
than last is 4 sets seated machine outter curl where it forces you to pull ur arm on at a angle to side
i put on weight easy if i do eat, so i do walk or atair stepper for just 10 mins eod, abs are e3d as well
Figured I'd get you out of the red since your taking criticism and being level headed. Not just bickering like an asshole and arguing. Rusty will take care of you.
I also gave him back the karma I took for the same reason. He now seems to be listening so he can get the help he needs to be successful.
ya i appreciate it, just trying to run a good clean cycle, i understand its not all about the drugs, so ill try out the 500 mgs test e for 12 weeks and tbol week 8-12
Bro, I'm not one of these "anti Tren" folk. I run Tren all the time (when necessary). The trick to using steroids is to learn your body to the point that you know how to get the maximum results from the minimum juice. You get to know when taking more isn't going to produce anything. In your case you should get all the results you want on a simpler cycle and not poison yourself for no reason.
i appreciate your feedback tho, im thankful you guys dont want me to screw myself over and hurt myself and shut down so hard, i have friends who are suggesting the cycle i posted and thats why i posted right away because theyve told me theyve shut down crqzy on cycles, so ya thanks
what do you think would be a simple stack but with tren e? or i also have tri tren 300 mgs, i have 4 vials test e 300 mgs, 100 winstrol tabs 50 mg, tbol 25 caps 50 mgs, dbol 50 mgs 25 tabs, what would be a good cycle thats simple with tren e? maybe just test e 250 tren e 250 mgs, inject monday friday, take test weeks 1-12 tren e weeks 4-10 and tbol weeks 8-12 50 mgs ed? and i have prami and nolva on hand and pct is on hand i will take hcg as well pct
Bro, to cut up and harden up, you don't need Tren. Test will do fine. Save the Tren for a future cycle. You are ultimately going to begin to experience uncomfortable Tren sides like lethargy (since Tren lowers T3), anxiety attacks, night sweats the keep you from sleeping. If you haven't had any of these yet, they are coming. Tren will lower your cardio capacity to the point you will be gasping for air just to do light cardio. Then you will be gasping for air doing squats, blah blah blah. I use Tren in preparing for competition, that's all. As far as Tri Tren is concerned - Tren E, Tren Hex, Tren A - Tren Know that trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate (Parabolan) was taken off the market by Negma Labs in France in 1997 for human use because of adverse reactions to the hex ester. Bro, get your mind off the Tren and try not to keep coming back to it like it's gonna do something special for you.
got ya appreciate all the feedback there, so do you think it would be beneficial to add maybe winny and beginning with test and finish with tbol or what do you think?
You don't need Winny bro either. Dang, your not stepping on stage. You friends are fucked up with this competition prep cycle bull shit to loose a little weight and gain a little mass. Stop it ! Just stop.
cool bro appreciate it, ill run the test 500 mgs a week 1-12 and tbol 8-12, thanks for feedback your right dont rely on other drugs
cool bro appreciate it, but im going to try the test e at 500 mg a week and tbol week 8-12 and see how it goes, because you guys are right dont rely on the drug so much, so thanks for everyones input
well the ultimate goal guys is yes to lose just a little weight i didnt say hey i want to shred lol, my goals to put on about 10 more lbs of lbm, im really thinking of just doing
week 1-12 test e 300 mg
week 1-5 tri tren 400
week 6-8 tren e 400
week 1-4 tbol 50 mg ed
week 8-12 winny 50 mg ed
prami 8ius daily
adex .25 mg daily
my macros are 45/35/20 with 4200 cals
normal day of diet is
breakfast 8 oz steak, 4 egg whites, 3 whole eggs, 1 banana
next meal
8 oz chicken, 1/2 cup brown rice
next meal
12 oz steak, 14 asparagus, 1 sweet potato
next meal
1 cup oats, 1 scoop protein, 1 banana, 1 tbsp pb
post workout
2 scoops protein, 1 banana, 2 tbsp pb, 1/4 cup oats
last meal b4 bed
1 and a 1/2 casein protein, 1 banana, 1 cup milk
I thought you said your diet was in check? Protein powder, more protein powder, sugar at bed time when cutting?
so maybe cut out last protein shake for a more whole meal? like steak and rice?
Don't lose sight of what protein shakes are - supplements. When they start making up a big percentage of your calories / protein intake, you're doing yourself a disservice. I have whey after workout, then casein before bed. The other 400g of protein per day all comes from food. I'd always prefer real good quality good over shakes.
Doesn't just have to be rice. Look at things like quinoa, bulgur wheat etc. vary your carb sources. Don't underestimate the difference in value of brown rice, wholemeal pasta etc. Did you know white rice is actually a high GI carb, whereas brown is low?
Watch the sugars, even fruit sugars late in the day. It isn't going to help you trim BF, quite the contrary. A touch after workout great, just before bed serves no positive purpose for you.
You have 3 whole food meals and 3 protein shake meals. Try 5 whole food and 1 protein shake. If for some reason you day gets fucked (because sometimes shit happens) then replace a whole meal for another shake, but try to stay consistent.
cool got ya brother thanks for the feedback, i feel more full with meals not protein shakes, in here to learn so thanks guys
Funny when you see the cycle stack that is ridiculous then comes the diet that's "on point". Obviously the priorities are backwards.
There's nothing I agree with here. I'm not going to neg you but I'm going to point domething out here. What exactly do you think two weeks of tren E will do?? Do you know how long it takes to even start working? Bro, please don't do what I did as a teen just like you. I have to now stick myself for the rest of my life just to KINDA function like a man if you know what I mean? I can help you along with a handful of others here in my same shoes. I care brother. I don't want you to end up like me. So don't be afraid to hit me up. I've been there done that with EVERYTHING you can imagine. I'm the real deal my friend.
Also, I'm going to add that you won't get the same parroted bullshit from me. I'll come at you with ACTUAL first hand experience.
thanks for the feedback brother, i know tren is a strong one but have you ever run tren maybe at a lower dose, because i have tren e 250 mgs and tri tren on hand which is 300 mgs, and 4 bottles test e 250 mgs, 1 turianabol 50 mgs 25 tabs, 1 dbol 50 mgs 25 tabs and winstrol 50 tabs 50 mgs, ultimate goal is 10-15 lbs but a lean bulk, diets in check, i know in not relying on the srug but what would you suggest?
no i dont need to mouth off haha, i dont want to stopp down to a crybaby form like everyone on here, ha be annoyed ok thanks for getting annoyed, wonelt make me lose any sleep lol, jave a good day
Son, I believe that is disrespectful to the people here that actually want to help you, including me. Do you want your tag to turn red? I can arrange that if that's what you really want. Why don't we try that and see how it feels. Show some respect and I'll turn it green again. Respect would mean that you are open minded to the idea that that cycle you are proposing might be overkill. Respect would also mean that you have enough self respect to care about your own health. If I, an internet stranger, care more about the consequences of your steroid abuse than you do, I think there is a problem. No?
Looks like you're listening now. +2
Well OP, let's dissect this post and see why it's being shitted on. First off, you say you're 26 and have run 4 tren cycles, meaning you started far too young. Tren before you were 25 smfh.
Enanthate esters do not need to be injected eod, rather 2x a week will suffice.
You have tbol and winny, and while this is far from the worst part of this cycle it's still rather contradictory.
HGH at 5 ius a day ... Ok
Prami at 8iu? What does that mean? Prami is measured in mg, not iu.
Are you stepping on stage? it all just seems so unnecessary. A young man like yourself shouldn't need anything more then a basic test cycle, if you filled out your natural potential. I'm 30 and still on basic test/Provi/tbol cycles.
Shitted on? Oh bro, some, including me, may be mildly annoyed, maybe worse, but you ain't seen nothing. Just wait. This thread is quite tame in comparison to some others I've seen and participated in. LOL
Now if the OP starts mouthing off at this point and gets defensive, this could evolve into an eroids classic. LMAO.
I miss when vike was around to reprimand crap like this.
Ps, anybody know what "hatcsh" is ?
RustyhookerLooks like dog shit on a stick set on fire and wrapped in hair.
Are you here to bulk, cut, learn or what? What's your full details on gym and food. Goals?
damn you guys are all hatsh lol, oh well, but thanks for feedback
Wow kid r u serious? Throw up some pics so we can see what you got gong on. This is a ridiculous idea of a cycle. But if you do the right things and be up front honest and open minded there are a lot of very experienced guys in here that will help you build a successful plan including macros. There are guys in this place that will sit down and do all the math for you even and draw it out. Gear head is an excellent and level headed dude alway helping guys out. Don't be a dick.
This is excessive... To say the least. I gotta agree with GH, sometimes you just give up and try not to fix it.
you need good food, a solid training program and sleep. Throwing in everything but the kitchen sink wont pick up yor slack.