Need some advice on a Tren E, Test E, and Dbol cycle
So my original post has changed quite a bit as I have gotten my hands on more gear and instead of replying to multiple threads im just going to revamp this one.
I am living in Madagascar for over a year. My last cycle was ( and this is after looking over my chart for a more accurate breakdown)
Week 1-4 Dbol 50mg ED
Week 1-4 Adex 1mg ED
Week 1-15 Test E 250mg twice a week ( Monday and Thursday)
Week 5-10 Adex .75mg EOD
Week 10-15 Adex .5mg EOD
PCT
Week 16-17 Nolvadex 40mg ED
Week 18-19 Nolvadex 20mg ED
Now I have gotten my hands on some gear finally here in Madagascar after searching far and wide. Pharmacy grade Test E from Bayer .. Tren E from axio labs.. and the pink 10mg Dbols, not from axio but Im not sure who makes them. I also have a steady supply of nolvadex clomid and Adex. Here is my plan and instead of bashing it I would just like to hear who has tried similar things and what the results were. I'm not here to argue im just trying to do the best i can with what i have
Week 1-6 Dbol 50mg ED
Week 1-6 Adex 1mg ED (yes to prevent gyno ive had to dose this high before)
Week 1-10 Tren E 100mg twice a week to keep blood levels stable (Tuesday and Friday)
Week 1-12 Test E 250mg twice a week (Tuesday and Friday)
Week 7-10 Adex .75 mg EOD
Week 11-12 Adex .5mg EOD
I have 20mg nolva tabs should i run them during the cycle as well or only if sides get too bad?
PCT
Week 13-14 nolva 40mg ED
Week 15-16 Nolva 20mg ED
I know more Tren is recommended. Getting more is not an option. I am going to use what I have. or I could just double the dose of tren and use it only 5 weeks what do you think of that?
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If I were you I would just lift natty for the next year while concentrating on perfecting how you train and more importantly your diet. Why so set on doing a half assed cycle just to get shut down for nothing? Certainly you don't have a big show coming up or some ish. Just lift and eat well bruh, best thing I can tell you!
apart from the tren which everyone is getting hung up on how is 50mg dbol ED for six weeks and 500mg Test E 12 weeks a half assed cycle? Last time I ran that cycle I got massive gains which I only lost due to being in a 3rd world country and getting dysentery. I have worked out natty since then to get about 70% of those gains back and now my system is ready for another round
Great news all.. I just went to the pharm to pick up my adex and figured I would just try and see if they had test. I was able to get 11 ampules of bayer brand test e 250mg /ml . each ampule is 1 ml so here is my new set up and let me know what you think
week 1-6 dbol 50mg ED
week 1-12 Test E 250mg once a week
week 1-10 Tren E 200mg once a week
week 1-12 Adex 1mg ED or EOD depending on symptoms
PCT Nolva and Clomid 4-5 weeks.
Also I am taking rogaine.. will that be enough to help with the hair loss that tren users are prone to have? thanks bros
Looks like all you will end up with at the end of this cycle is just a shutdown HPTA.
Hey makwa, without seeking free information.
What would you recommend for running 19-nors or heavy cycles, curious on your opinion.
Please critis this, I'm trying to develop one with my recent research was thinking
Novaladex 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Hcg after cycle 250-500iu for 3 weeks?about
Sorry , I can't help you with that. I have never ran any 19nor's so I am not in a position to give out credible advice dealing with them.
Nar not a problem thanks for the reply and honest information.
I'm having a harder time getting my hands on adex for some reason theres a shortage in this town... i can get letro but it costs a fortune... can I use nolvadex for sides if i only run dbol and test e and what mg would i take and how often
You are setting yourself up for a sure case of gyno doing that, especially with a highly aromatizable steroid like Dbol. Nolva will not work as an AI.
I can get Letro here but its like $400 US
what about clomid?
Clomid won't work for an AI. You need arimidex, aromasin or letro. The first two preferred over letro.
and im changing the Test e from 250 a week to 250 twice a week. i messed up on that post
i ran test 600mg a week for 15 weeks and frontloaded dbol 50mg a week for 4 weeks and didnt shutdown . my nuts came back after 4 weeks of proper pct. just adding a little tren shouldnt hurt that bad
15 weeks of exogenous test.
You were "shut down". I will personally 100% guarantee that.
A whole different type of recovery awaits after 19 nor compounds (tren, deca). Even a small dose can make your recovery quite prolonged.
If you've got test and dbol, I'd keep it simple. You're compromised in terms of location and access to other compounds should things get messy with the tren.
sorry meant to say i didnt shut down too bad.. of course i did shut down but i recovered fairly quickly. The cycle was not hard on my system
Bloods or it didn't happen
Are you taking the rogaine because people say a side effect is losing hair? Do you even know the side effects of ANY of the compounds you are taking and why they happen? Tren E also needs to be taken TWICE a week just like the test. With that little amount of test and tren I feel you are going to have the best Bloat cycle you will ever ever have. 200 Tren in no way shape or form is enough to see anything. The bare minimum is 3-400 a week. You still do not have a proper cycle because you do not have enough components.
No I have been taking rogaine for a year now which has been working fairly well. I do know the side effects of what I am taking and yes I understand why they happen I am just looking for more advice from other experienced users. There is no need to talk down to me I am just looking to share info and experiences with other bros who like to better themselves. I think you keep forgetting that I wrote I am in madagascar for over a year and I am lucky I can even find the supps that I found. Also once again the adex will keep my gains lean and reduce any bloating. I know I do not have a proper cycle I am in Madagascar... I know what a proper cycle is. The whole reason I made this post was to get valid info on how to best utilize the few items I can get my hands on... so once again now that I have found a test connect ill be bumping my test E up to 500mg a week... dbol 50mg ED 6 weeks.. and then 200mg tren E a week split in 2 doses ... help me with info dont belittle me
The problem you keep overlooking is you cannot utilize what you have, I am starting to get the sense that no matter what we say you want to do it anyways..also why I asked if you did any research is if hair loss runs in your family test AND tren will accelerate it. If your family suffers from full heads of hair up in their senior years you don't need rogaine. You need at least 2 of Tren and 2 of test, you will need based on little experience and lots of research 400mg of tren a week and either the same or lower of test a week for any gains and they will be average to say the least. I tried your route using 200 a week and all I gained was knowledge that it wasnt enough. 500 test a week and 200 tren will double your sides. I offered you my help just like everyone else, you are choosing to ignore it. Get a COMPLETE cycle or you are wasting your time. How is adex keeping your gains lean? Adex is an AI not a muscle builder. Adex will help you with estrogen buildup. Again...Research will be your friend here
and just forget about the tren e for a minute.... Ill be running 50mg Dbol ED and 250mg Test E twice a week (tues and friday) adex 1mg ED that alone will produce great results i know this because thats my usual cycle. I just happened upon some tren and decided to toss it in and see if i could get some advice on what would happen and if it would help me burn some fat while putting on a little extra muscle (ive read it burns fat and is 5 times stronger than test e)
1mg of adex every day? please tell me that was a typo or you also have a history of gyno. Tren does not help you burn fat on 200mg a week. Tren helps burns fat when you are in calorie defecit and have your diet dialed in, The ones you read are more then likely at 10% bf or lower so it helps them by keeping them aggressive in the gym instead of lethargic. stay with 500 test a week and dial in your diet drop the 1mg of adex to .25 eod or .50 e3d. Start the adex after about 2 weeks unless you are gyno prone. Best advice you are going to get, Also drop the dbol so you won't be a bloat machine.
hey what if i did 400mg of tren for 5 weeks instead of 200mg for ten considering all the dbol and test i have now?
No. Tren E is a long ester, so it levels out in your blood around week 5. Coming off of it at that point is a complete waste.
gotcha thanks bro that does help i wont do that then
first time i took dbol i tried .5 EOD and it wasnt enough i wasnt able to control my sides until i took 1mg ED .. of course i did have some joint pain due to that but it was better that getting tits
I was taking rogaine before i even started any cycles because baldness runs on my dads side and i was thinning out on top. rogaine has restored much of that im wondering if it will continue even with the tren..........estrogen bloats, adex blocks it thus keeping me from bloating. its how i kept from bloating during my last cycle. I can get test all day now that i found a pharmacy and even at 200 a week the tren is powerful enough when stacked with the other 2 to produce decent results. The bro im getting this from is running the same amount of tren and just dbol no test base and the bro is massive and he runs nolva during his cycle which im not to sure i would do but anyways i dont want to argue i just want to share info and results ... 200 tren is better than no tren. ive been researching and as you all know all research is just broscience im just asking what people have done and what they think . i am taking into consideration all opinions im not saying anyones answer is wrong im just asking more questions . i think every response has been valid and is very much appreciated. no homo but why cant we just be bros and share info instead of putting me down saying im wasting my time etc.
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In all fairness, assuming your ready and old enough for aas, if I was looking a way to run this, only thing im thinking is look you got 200 tabs of dbol right, more than enough, and a vial of tren. Its really the cycle wouldnt last long enough for you to see gains. Its short enough where youll experience mostly sides from tren and lots of bloat from dbol. I would of better be able to give you advice if you had 2 vials of sustanon. I also dont know your degree of muscularity and bf which makes harder to better advise you. Also theres a lot of young guys on here that read cycles like this and end up thinking aas can be run in any way with any compound without risks, it adds on to the bad reputation aas have with the society. So I understand your eager to run cycle but its not gonna be worth it with what you have on hand.
also the adex will help reduce the bloat from dbol... i took adex ED last dbol cycle i did and did not bloat bad at all. still had slight lumps but those went away after i quit taking the dbol
I am 27 I would run the cycle like this..
week 1-6 50mg dbol ED
week 1-10 200mg tren E once a week
adex 1mg EOD or ED depending on sides.
A ten week cycle should be enough to see decent gains.
searching for test base now found possible connect but not sure. 6'2" 90 kilos.... I used to be 115 kilos after my test e and dbol run but got really sick due to food poisoning and drinking the water here so I lost all my body fat and a bunch of my gains. im fairly certain this cycle will help restore the gains I had
And your bodyfat?
im sorry bro im not sure i dont have a way to measure that where i am but it is not too high
I agree with everything you all are saying. In fact if everything was perfect I would set my cycle up that way. The thing you all have that I do not is that I am in Madagascar for the next year. This is all I can get my hands on. I need advice on any possible way to make the gear I have work. I completely understand its not an ideal set up but I feel like I can make do. I don't need to read all the "smh" i am doing the same myself due to lack of decent gear. but you know what they say .. when in rome..... anyways please if someone has the knowledge to help me figure this out and a decent cycle set up that would help me the most. once again i have adex, clomid, nolva, tren 200mg/1ml 10ml vial, and 210 10mg dbol tablets. again let me emphasize I agree with everything you are all saying. I know its risky. but none of you are in a 3rd world country. I am. thanks for the replies and help guys. to be honest your info is all spot on
Leave it alone ,!!!!the way your talking is like , this is your dope , and
Brother you dont need nothing , you dont have test , you need your test , I been where you are , you want no test in your systemm. Brother let I it go , smh. No good I
got my hands on test finally check my set up and let me know what you think
reading your comments to everyones help I have just 1 question, What would you like to hear? the truth or a nod to your badly laid out plan? For every 5 people you read say tren alone is fine there will be 25 who say no. Why cant you just wait to do your cycle the proper way? whats the big rush? All you are doing is wasting what little gear you bought so you might be better off injecting olive oil and hoping for a placebo effect. WAIT TO DO YOUR CYCLE FFS. If you cant wait just do it and shake your head in bewilderment that you wasted several weeks plus pct for a possible big fat goose egg in gains.
got a test base read above comments
im here for over a year its not like i can wait for gear that isnt here.
Direct and to the point.
Arimidex will do nothing to counter the prolactin spikes that are associated with Tren use, for that you would need caber or prami.
I am siding with the guys here telling you to wait until you have an actual full cycle put together. And while you say that your libido isn't an issue now, it will be an issue if you don't recover and suffer from that for the rest of your life. 200mg will still shut you down, especially if it is tren. 200mg is considered (high by some) a TRT dose just for testosterone.
Don't go through with this until you are fully ready, you WILL regret it.
Ive read forums that say by no means run any cycle without a test base and then ive read others that say you dont need it. I know both sides contain some element of broscience. all I know is that i usually run adex 1mg and dbol 4 weeks and test e 15 weeks ... PCT nolva 40mg 2 weeks and 20 mgs 2 weeks and im good to go. this is a new set up for me
Take some time and get all the things you need to safely cycle. No reason to try and MacGyver a cycle together and end up worse off for it.
You need a better PCT if you're gonna run tren. I would wait. You want to keep your gains, right?
Sounds like you know the answer... Which would be to hold off.
Also nolva+clomid is better for pct, especially when using harsh compounds.
You also might want to consider having caber or prami for 19nors.
Basically , IMO, the best cycle is a fully planned cycle including all the supports and PCT's you could need... Not one where you just have something here, something there and piece together a crappy cycle. Remember this is your health on the line here
I know but again im in a 3rd world country and this is all I can get, im reading guys saying they have ran tren without a test base and done alright. back in the arnold days those guys didnt even have test .. i know we know so much more now health wise but for one cycle i should be okay right? if i only do this for one cycle and never again. when i get back to the modern country i am from i would do a proper cycle with all safety precautions of course. im not ignorant i just cant get my hands on anything else
And please , I'm not trying to "put you on blast" just give my honest opinion
you have been the most helpful can you evaluate my new setup i finally got some test ... can you give me some more honest recomendations the other bros are kinda bringin me down. im doin the best i can with what i have .. i know how to do a proper cycle its just tough to get my hands on all the gear
No I appreciate it bro its very helpful, I forgot to add I can get clomid as well, so for pct ill run clomid and nolva ... im not concerned about my libido because im not around women for the time being and 200mg a week as opposed to 300-600 shouldnt shut me down too bad should it ... also i can get as much clomid, nolva and arimidex from the pharmacies here so thats no issue... i get Adex friday and will start that a couple days before the tren