posted Tue, 08/21/2012 - 14:53
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need help with first cycle- test prop 100mg EOD
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started cycle this past sunday, havnt felt relaly any changes in mood or anything like i did when i did a half assed cycles of test e, im saying this is my first cycle because this one will be complete. but the test e had me in a great mood all the time full of energy and my sex drive was insane. i know test p is fast acting so wondering why im not feeling that yet..
also was wondering if i should add whinny or something else to the prop. or any advice on anything related to this cycle, eating calories workout routines.. i will take all advice as i know many of you are way more experianced then i.
thank you
im 32 years old, 5'9" just weighed in at 147, im a construction worker and very active
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cdaddy7Because of the acid chain in the short acting prop, it usually causes tissue irritation at the injection site. Some ppl vary in the length of PIP but its def uncomfortable not matter how long or short. I think most get used to it after time
ok just pinned with 1 1/2 works out to 150mg warmed it up in the shower first hoping that helps wiht the pain i was told it helps break up the oil if its up to body temp.. got a bag full of grilled chicken and a shitload of water, off to work then home to hit the gym, i still need to hit up jay cutlers site and check out those routines and order the aromasin from geneza. while i was on there site i seen they had a stack pre made, of 250mg test e and tren 150mg would that be something more suited to my needs? thanks again guys hopefully by taking all of your advice i see some good gains on this cycle.
tread-mFocus on learning all this in a big way, front to back learning to manipulate your goals yr round in the kitchen etc waaay before tren. I can help as can many others with future rolls but lets focus on making this cycle work before we determine next run. You get to placing focus on tomorrow and you forget about today. Today is in front of you , succeed there then we move to tomorow.
ok so not sur eif its the muscle group or the fact im using smaller pins and a warmed up the bottle first but normally the day after i pin the pain is crazy bad, i pinned in my glute yesterday morning around 5am, yes there is pain but its not as bad as the first day i started.. so ill keep warming it and stick wiht the smaller pins. and salt will now be out of my diet or drastically lowered
tread-mWhat do you mean by smaller pins?
i first used a 22g i inch, now im using a 25g i ince and warming the prop up while im in the shower before i pin, and it seemed to have worked wonders still some pain but nothing compared to the first one
I would stay away from the tren for now get some cycles under your belt so you know how it reacts to some different compounds before you consider tren...its for the advanced
Prescribe you food! Eat 6 meals a day. have a protein shake immediately following workout with a simple sugar souce. I have shake, a banana, and gummi bears myself. At 150lbs you can gain 30 pretty easy w/ just diet.
haha good advice also i wasnt sure what to take, and side effects on all that stuff also. so what shold i order or get and how much and whay mill per dya or whatever
i really apreciate all the help guys, im no douchbag i know i dont know what im doing and im glad i found this forum, i would have been pinning and just doing it for nothing with no gains just pissing money away lol
tread-mAromasin and begin at 6.25 mg eod. Thats 1/4 tab if you order the 25 mg tabs. Get this now brother, now...you should have everything you need for a cycle before you ever unwrap a pin. I won't bust your balls you are at least trying but you need to take this seriously, its not protein or creatine these are potentially powerful drugs with consequences. While you wait you need to begin to really limit salt intake, stay away from processed foods completely including meats and drink water all day long in increments. If you begin to hold water between now and time AI shows up increase water intake, cut salt more and grab up some diurex from walmart if needed to drain the water. About 1.5 gals of water ed is a good place. If you respond to me or anyone else go over to the right of my/their response and hit "reply". That keeps the questions and answers in order so the thread can be comprehended. I might order letro as well just to have on hand. It can help reverse early onset gyno if prone. You won't use it unless needed though. As well, make sure you have enough pct on hand (clomid/nolva) to be ready for the shutdown and remember, pct begins about 3 days after last pin when running prop unlike the long esters where it is 2-3 weeks depending on compounds.
or do you think i shoudl switch back to E as soon as i can get it?
ok ill ask my buddy if hes got that or ill order from online somewhere, and good to know about the salt thing i put salt on everything, gues its time to stop that all together. i have plenty of water on hand at work so thats not a problem.
tread-mYes ditch the salt. Salt is the binder that holds the water. Btw, get a bp monior and check it daily. If water comes on it constricts blood flow, bp rises and you can get in trouble. For an experienced user I know how to get out of that pretty quick, a new guy may not and end up at the ER. I did more than once in the day but it was without all this knowledge so you have no excuses.
and no Al either wasnt sure how my body was going to react to the p wanted to see what sides i would have before i added anything
tread-mOk wait to order or wait to use? Tell me its wait to order, I hate to see a guy with beautiful worrkin girl titties waiting for the mail that may never show..lol. i would still run a low dose quarter tab AI aromasin or adex (prefer aromasin) eod. You keep SHBG down, you don't worry about estro spiking and killing your roll etc.
yes im just on this not stackingwith anything as of yet, i was offered whinny to stack with this but not sure that would be right for me as im already a pretty lean guy. and ok ill jump on that site tonight, yesterday i did pack a bunch or grilled chicken ill start dpoing that more and get a good shake. does the muscle milk work as a sub between meals?
Winny is for compitition getting the dry look and if your gonna be workin 70+ hours aweek in construction your joints r gnna be killing u!
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tread-mAlright lets do the addition to 150 eod if you can't handke the ed, answer the AI question as to are you using one and on this diet brother...eating everything you can is not a plan and its certainly not a plan to success. Your diet has to be synergistic, foods causing other foods to do things in combination that they would not necessarily otherwise do. If you need good gains you need to think 6 meal plan, proper volumes of protein for your weight and proper carb work. you are a pretty small guy so I'm sure you want to stack that muscle and that bottle of juice will help process and use more protein in terms of efficiency but you need a plan bud! You also need a plan in the gym , i realize you want to walk in slow but that has to be planned too. Set up a proper gym routine and stick to that plan. I realize you are working all the time but you get breaks so you need some shakes through the week but its time to start packing rice and chicken etc in meals made up, sandwiches all day is going for that Larry the cable guy look! Lol tell you what, we can help but so you get a clue if its still up, run over to jaycutler.com and click blueprints bottom right of the homepage. As you click on the days the very first thing you notice is the diet is not filled with sandwiches (lol), but get some idea of where we are goling. Diet is 90% of this life and in fact, 100% given if you don't figure out diet, nothing else will work. Its diet in line, then gym and gear is a distant last. meaning, if those other ducks are not in line, gear is useless.
zewiBoom! X2
x3 tread is very smart listen to him and u will grow
just seen it accepted bro
also i was told to use 25g 1" pins i was using 22g 1" and the differance in pain after was extreamly less. so ill bump it up to 150 tomorrow then EOD from there. thank you for that
I really can't tell much of a dif. In pain between the sizes. Prop is clearly a very fast acting test so I like to put it in the parts that I want to see the most growth on. Typically bicep and shoulder injections. And in my opinion yes it would be nice if you could toss in 3-400 mgs of Decca or eq. It also sounds like what you might be partially worried about is the legitamacy of the gear?
I know it's been said but tread is spot on. I've seen people turn into nasty little fat balls on gear because they were eating everything they could, it's kinda comical. Needs to be at least half way clean.
i know im a straight noob on this shit, and i should have stuck with the test e, and im sure i will go right back to that as soon as i can, but in the mean time i could use some advice on what im running with now.. dont want to hurt myself or make a mistake. just want to get some good gain with what i have then go back to the E
I sent u a fr request bro
i wanted to go back to the test e but the prop was there and ready for the same amount of scratch
my diet is pretty much anything i can eat, im wokring 70+ hours a week right now, but today i started with a muscle milk and had 2 tunafish sadwitches every hour till i came home then had about a lb of pasta.
today i did pushups, dips and pullups, as i havnt worked out in forever and didnt want to tear anything, tomorrow i will do chest and biceps, then friday triceps and back possably,
so 150 EOD would work, the pain is managable but not sure if i can handle the pain everyday with my job and all, im working heavy highway, bridge work
It was told to me to switch to chest/tri and back/bi bc the are secondary muscle to each other when you do chest ur using triceps and when doin back hu use alot of bi's push vs pull.....somethin to think about
+1. Didnt even read that. Stopped after he said he hasnt worked out in forever. Guy has no clue and no business on aas. Im outid this thread.
You just started a cycle and you havnt worked out in forever? Shit bro test isnt the wonder drug. You need to max your naty.
Your going to hurf yourself. Your body wont be ready for the strength increase.
bro if u have not done a complete cycle has u say why prop and not test e at 500mg a week and Zewi is right as usual lol if u are doing prop only 100mg eod is really low
zewiTest P usually takes 2 weeks to fill a kick.. and 100mg is low for just test p.
You need to get that up to the 150 to 200 range to fill it.
tread-mYou need to give it a little time but thats an extremely weak cycle. 100 ed is more in line with "cycle" strength vs trt strength. So pop up to ed then lets talk, are you running an AI and what is your diet and workout routine rather than me guessing?