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+ 2 My First Cycle...need suggestions

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Hi,

this is my frist cycle. i'd like to gain some lean mass and cut BF a little bit.

Week 1-10: Test E 500mg per week (2 injection of 250mg)
Week 1-12 0.5 mg Armidex EOD
Week 4-12 500iu of HCG (2 inj of 250)

PCT
Week 12-14 40mg/day Nolva
Week 14-16 20mg/day Nolva

My Stats
33 Old
76kgs
175 cm
13% BF
Eating Clean with 2800Kcal/day 40:40:20

Do you have any suggestion?
Can i use Dbol 30mg/day on weeks 1-4 as a kickstarter?
Do i have to use Colomid in PCT?

Thanks in advance
Tinit666

tinit666's picture

Hi Guys,

test e for my cycle will be in 300mg/ml bottles, is there a lot of difference to run a 600mg/week cycle?

SenseiMiagi's picture

Not really. 500/600 is negligable.

SenseiMiagi's picture

Agree with below, good work with the research. Wouldnt use arimidex unless needed, but I think that was already mentioned. I wouldnt use DBol, save that for next go round. Clomid is preferred for PCT along with Nolv and the HCG protocol. You will thank yourself afterwards as theres little as frustrating as losing all your gains after a cycle, so use optimal PCT.

Good luck and rip shit up!

pege's picture

Forgot to +1 smh they say first thing that goes is the mind. Ahhh scarey

pege's picture

Nice cycle , my friend good research , well planned out , and I like it alot , alotmof people feel they need more for a first , and thats not true , the only thing that concerns me (imo) and im not saying its wrong you are right on target .. just watch your estro bro , see im NOT , gyno prone , and im on a cycle now that im really not using my ai, oh I have but not needed .. just watch for signs of low estro , and if so back off , I beleive JL touched basem on this to , watch your estro ,tanked e2 can be worse than high .. and im not trting to get you nervouse , its I want you to beaware .. lol I just lookex down the page , a d alot of brothers already said , watch but excellent first cycle good research , patients , +1.

tinit666's picture

Hi,

Thanks for your help.
After your suggestion my frist cycle will be:

Week 1-12: Test E 500mg per week (2 injection of 250mg)
Week 2-12 0.5 mg Armidex EOD adj based on exam
Pct:
Week 14-18 Clomid 100/100/50/50
Week 14-18 Nolva 40/40/20/20

Is everything ok?

Thanks

jimmie's picture

if week "13" is the only time you are neither pinning nor taking pct drugs, it's not enough time. Some argue it's not needed, but I'd recommend hcg at 250iu every other day for weeks 13, 14, and 15. 2 days after last hcg shot start clomid at 300mg first day, then continue with pct as you have written. 21 days should be enough time for the enanthate to completely clear out, the hcg will keep test levels high and have your testes working with the artificial signal and give them a jumpstart before the clomid and nolva do their thing.

If you choose not use the hcg that's fine too, but you need more time after last pin, minimum of 14 days.

The Impastable's picture

X2. You PCT should start week 15 at minimum.

tinit666's picture

Ok...i'll start PCT at week 15

JL's picture

Test only first cycle. Take some time to learn and feel how your body is responding.

I'm a believer in early estrogen control in cycles. On adex I wait 3-5 days into cycle. .25 eod should be plenty to start ifs it's dosed correctly, adjust as needed. 6 week blood work will tell you where your levels are.

Do not starve yourself. You need calories to grow or the cycle will be a waste.

Add clomid as suggested..

Happy first cycle!

wolverinewannabe's picture

Dont just jump on that ai, especially at the beginning. Youll crash your estro and you need it.

First cycle, I would advise test only and would run it 12-14 weeks rather that 10.

I would also advise using clomid in your pct. The standard pct works very well for me.

Heres the important part. MORE CALORIES!! If you want to grow, youre going to have to eat more. Diet is more important than gear. Plenty of protein from whole foods.

The Impastable's picture

Tinit,

As a suggestion, extend the Test E for another two weeks and run it for a total of 12 weeks. I would also only use the arimidex if you truly need to, so monitor your sides and get blood tests done week 6 to see where your estrogen levels are at, you don't want to run it from the beginning as it could possibly crash your estrogen levels. The HCG is optional, but I highly doubt you would need to run it with this beginner cycle.

Your PCT needs work, read the stickies on PCT here and come back with a revamped PCT.

Don't use Dbol your first cycle as it will make it difficult to judge how you are reacting to test and may make adjusting your arimidex dosages (should you need them) difficult.

Here's my honest advice though... hold off on the AAS usage. You are 167lbs at 13% bf... which puts you at around only 145lbs of lean body mass... you could gain so much more mass naturally before using AAS. Post up your diet either here or in the diet forum, and the guys will help you get that in line. Your goals are gaining lean mass, and quite frankly steroids don't dictate that, diet does. You need to eat more than 2800 KCals per day to gain some quality mass.

tinit666's picture

Hi,

thank you for yor suggestion. Tdee calculator and gives me a 2500 Kcal intake
This is my diet:

07.30 Meal 1: Oats 60gr Whey 40gr (just after wake-up)
08:00 Meal2: Wholemeal Bread 40gr Peanut Butter 10gr
10:30 Meal 3: Bresaola 70gr Wholemeal Bread 60gr Almonds 5gr
13:00 Meal 4 Lunch: Wholemeal Rise 80gr Grilled Chicken 160gr Olive Oil 10gr Carrots or other Vegetable
16:00 Meal 5: Turkey 120gr Wholemeal Bread 40gr Almonds 5gr
18:30 Meal 6 Pre-Wo: Oats 40gr Blend Protein 20gr
20:00 Meal 7 Post-Wo: Vitargo 35gr Whey 35gr
21:00 Meal 8 Dinner: Chicken or Tuna 120gr Sweet Potato 230gr Spinach 100gr Olive Oil 10gr
23:30 Meal 9 Before Bed: Casein 32gr Almonds 10gr

2800Kcal 280gr Carbs 280 Protein 60gr Fats

Suggestions?

Regarding Cycle:
Week 1-12: Test E 500mg per week (2 injection of 250mg)
Week 6-14 0.5 mg Armidex EOD (only if necessary)

PCT
Week 16-18 Clomid 100 mg/day
Week 18-20 Clomid 50 mg/day
Week 16-18 Nolvadex 40 mg/day
Week 18-20 Nolva 20mg/day

is PCT better for a begginer cycle?

regards
tinit

Catalyst's picture

Responded to your post in the diet clinic Smile

The Impastable's picture

The only thing I would tweak is the PCT start time. Standard protocol dictates starting PCT two weeks after your last injection of testosterone, myself personally I wait three weeks. I'd say start two weeks since it is your first cycle, and as you do more cycles you can vary it up to see what works for you best.

Your diet is clean as a whistle, congratulations. But if you want to pack on pounds, you're going to need to get some complex carbs in there. Think about replacing some of your current carbs with pasta, go whole wheat if you'd prefer, potatoes, ice cream (this is a dirty word around here), etc. Get your intake to 3000KCal or even over, depending how dirty you want to bulk.

https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/diet-clinic-now-live

These guys will dial you in.