Hymiez's picture
Hymiez
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My first cycle please critique

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Week 1-8 test e -250 a week
Week 1-4 Anavar - oxandrolone - 60 mg ed
Week 4-8 Winstrol - stanozolol 50mg ed

Pct is Nolva

yeszir91's picture

I was in the same position as you few weeks ago mate,(you can go and read my post) everyone has advised me to drop everything exept the Test E.. I did so, and you ll see everyone is agree, read some more post.. I agree too now, thanks again to everyone by the way.
I am running test e for 12 weeks, got anastrozol in case I need it, and tamoxifen for my PCT 40/40/20/20 usual stuff!
good luck mate!

vocor's picture

I'm going to echo what others have said.
Just the test e, 12 weeks. Run PCT with Clomid + Nolva. Cover the bases.
Have an AI on hand for possible on cycle gyno sides.
Nothing wrong with being conservative on the test at 250mg. Most folks run 500, but 1st cycle, be safe.
Clomid and Nolva are both SERMS that work similarly but not identically. I've used Nolva only in PCT, and it worked, but I do agree that Clomid+Nolva is probably superior for most folks.
2 orals in a cycle is never a good idea. 8 weeks may be quite stressful to your liver.
If you like the test, next cycle you can up the dose, or throw in an oral.
That's my take.

fastmouth's picture

Meaning all gains happen in the last 4 weeks of a 12 week cycle? noob question i know, still learning.

vocor's picture

No. It is that the Test E might take up to 4 weeks before you feel it, since it is a long acting ester.
So then, you have only 4 weeks or so truly on.
12 weeks gives you enough time for the Test E to kick in, and enough time for you to work really hard in the gym, and put on some decent mass.
Finally, it give your body time to "get used to" the new mass and its requirements. So, in theory that means a better chance to keep more of your gains off cycle, when you are looking for you natty test to come back.

vocor's picture

LOL. Sorry I jumped the thread!

Hymiez's picture

I've read nolva can raise your test just as well as clomid without the side clomid has .
Anyone agreed / disagree

scootloko's picture

We need your stats to give a real answer but I can tell you, No Dont do it, do some more research. Your first cycle you only want to use one compound, test. You want to see how your body reacts to one compound before you move on to others plus with this being your first cycle test is all you will need for great results. Test E for only 8 weeks is a waste,it wont kick in for 4 weeks so you will only be on cycle 4 four weeks actually. 250mg is too low also, you want at least 400mg a week preferably 500mg and you want to run it for 10-12wks. Also youll need clomid along with the Nolva during pct. Do some more research then repost your stats previous experience and proposed cycle in full including pct Youll get more help that way.