My first cycle! Any gents here (mods welcomed!) have any input on this little jewl i'v put together over the last year?
How's it going everyone? I'm total newbie here so please let me know if I'm posting in the wrong section and I'll take it down. I have a question, regarding cycle advice, for some of our more experienced members. Input from all is welcomed and much appreciated though.
Let me start by saying that I'm a young guy, I'm 23 and I have been training on and off for 4 years. The last two years have been very consistent and I'm barely content but I'm not satisfied. I'v been 'researching' for quite some time now (about two years) and i'v been trying to put together my own cycle for about one year now. I really wanted to get it perfect before I started anything. Let me stop right here and tell you guys that i'v run hdrol before. If you would like to look at what i ran for my hdrol cycle, it's below. If not, just skip past it.
{cycle}
Preload: Cycle Assist, Hawthorn berry, Clearly seed extract. (2 weeks prior).
Week 1-6: {cycle}
Hdrol 50/75/75/75/75/75
Forma Stanazol 7pumps am / 7 pumps pm
Cycle Assist
Clearly seed extract
Hawthorn berry
NAC
Milk Thistle
Taurine (for pumps)
Potassium (for pumps)
Week 7-10 {PCT}
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Tribulus 750mg ED
DIM
DAA
Forma Stanazol 5 pumps am / 5 pumps pm
Lean xtreme
Cycle assist
PCT Assist
Finaflex PCT Black
Week 11-14
*(Paranoid because of sensitive nips and slight puffiness/change in diameter; probably just my imagination).
Nolva 60/40/40/20/20
Forma Stanazol 3 pumps am/3 pumps pm
Tribulus 750mg ED
NAC
Needless to say, though this cycle was well though out, I didn't keep too much. I initially put on 13lbs and that number slowly declined to 5-6lbs. It's still great since I didn't put on any fat (lean bulk) but I'm looking for more this time around.
Stats:
23
5'9
166lbs
Diet is (believe it or not): 4500-5000 clean calories/ day divided by 7-8 meals with snacks in between. I'm still having a hard time putting on lean weight but I'm shaping up very nicely. Guys.. This is how much I eat, I kid you not. Granted I have 1 650 calorie weight gainer shake once a day and 2 scoops of protein.If I had to guess my bf it would land around 10%
To elaborate on my diet, I restrict carbs to 300-380 grams/ day, have 350-400 grams of protein a day (unnecessary I know but I enjoy chicken lol!) and all in under 100 grams of fat. I'm very conscious of my diet and training.
Please don't try to talk me out of cycling, I have a little time left to bulk up for NROTC and whatever I do gain, I would like it to be lean. (That is my goal after all, lean muscle mass). Again, I'v done extensive research on this topic and have considered all possibilities. I'm willing go go though with it, just a little guidance would be nice. I'm sorry to be a pain but this is how we youngsters are! Stubborn!
Oh and forgive me if i'v made any typos, I typed all of this up on my phone.
Projected cycle:
*13 weeks of EQ 500mg/2 EW
*14 weeks of Test 500mg/2 EW
*8 weeks of var 100mg ED (Finisher/bridge)
{Cycle} week: 1-14
**Test E 250mg2 EW
**Aromasin 12.5mg EOD *(up to ED if needed)
**HCG 250iu2 EW *(up freq if needed)
**NAC 1000mg * 3 ED
**Milk Thistle
{Cycle} week: 1-13
**EQ 250mg*2
{Cycle/bridge} week: 9-16
**Anavar (oxandrolone)
100mg ED
**UDCA (Liver support)
150mg*3 ED
** N2 Guard
{PCT} week 17-20
**Clomid 100/50/50/50
**Nolva 40/40/20/20
**N2Guard
**Tribulus 750mg ED
**DIM
**Milk Thistle
**CEL PCT Assist (contains trans Resveratrol 1000mg) ED
**Lean Xtreme*3 ED
**Forma Stanazol (topical Formestane)
7 pumps AM-7 Pumps PM
70mg+70mg = 140mg Topical Formestane ED
{Mild Bridge} (To ensure full recovery)~Week 21-25
**Forma Stanazol (topical Formestane)
7 pumps AM-7 Pumps PM (tapered off)
(Caber) on standby
(Letrozole) on standby
(Finasteride) on standby
(Retinoid Acne creams) on Standby
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Found this on another forurm. Guys if someone said this to me earlier then I would've changed my mind instantly. So I'll post it incase there are any rookies (like me) watching this.
Think about what you are asking? All AAS can cause side effects. You use test only because it works well and you have a chance to see how you respond and I'd you have any sides from it. If you do have sides you manage them. When you start adding more your first time, you won't know what's causing the sides or how to treat them. Estro and prolactin sides can be very similar but treatment is completely different.
"Listen you came here to ask a question and you were given the answer. Just because you want to do one cycle only has nothing to do with how many compounds you want to run. We don't advise against it because it will cause some futur issue if you want to do more cycles it's because of the immediate issues it can cause. You are no different from any first time user and if you think you are then your wrong. Either take the advice and go about things the safest way or take your own nonexistent experience and deal with the consequences."
This is a great, down to earth, explanation of why every beginner should just go with test only. Again, I appreciate all the help you guys have given me. 100% test only for the first. Keeping it nice and simple. This cycle should be promising. Will update a log before I start. Thanks everyone! Eroids rocks!
Co-signed from a different website............. oh well at least it shows you are doing research :/
Add the link from the original author you found this from then we dont have copyright issues ok.
I just re-read this thread and this advice was given to you many times over. Now you come back and say you would of listened if someone would of said this?
I am glad that you found what you were looking for in some other forum... and that you are actually going to do the right thing for your first cycle. That is exactly what everyone in this forum was trying to tell you. Best of luck!
No bro, I understood what everyone here was saying but I was looking for a little more reasoning. I already made up my mind before I looked at another forum. I just wanted to solidify my decision with actual reasoning behind why one shouldn't run such a complicated cycle. Yeah I know about side affects but everyone here has been a rookie at some point. And some of us have wanted to stack for our first cycle to get the most out of it... I'm willing to learn but I like constructive critism. Why shouldn't I stack during my first cycle? Are my chances for sides really that much greater than yours if you were to run a stack in your second cycle? Why?.. These are the types of questions us rookies find helpful. I liked what I was reading and I thought it would help other guys like myself before jumping the gun on a potentially dangerous first cycle and messing themselves up. One day someone will look at this and it'll help them out. And I know there's tons of info like that out there but it doesn't hurt to spread awareness. Thank you bro
I understand what you are saying, but my point was that your previous post sounded disrespectful to all those who spent time helping you. You probably didn't mean it that way, but that's how I took it.
I am glad that you found what you were looking for and that you are following solid advice.
After re-reading what I wrote, I can see exactly where you're coming from bro. I aplogize to you and everyone here. You've all been an awesome help and I really do appreciate all of the time you guys spent on me. I'm glad that there are some good guys on this that were able to help me though this
Fkn Troll!
Excuse me?
I'v updated this cycle. Guys please don't flip, if I need to take the EQ out I will lol. I'd like some input on how this looks. I was thinking about finishing with prop (as i'v read about in the beginners forum for better dropoff on bloods but I'm not too keen on the crippling affects of prop. A buddy of mine took it and he couldn't workout for 3 weeks. I could change my mind easily however. Whatever you guys have to offer. Thanks!
"little jewel".....
Haha yes bro, I poured my heart into this cycle. But I understand where these guys are coming from. They've been at it for alot longer than me and I understand that everyone here is just looking out for me. First cycle of test only is supposed to be the best and the gains are to be off the charts. Especially for someone as light as me, the gains should be awesome. I was just a little hyped up with the dbol because I heard it would put on the most "instant" gains. But since I'm looking for lean, keepable mass and to burn fat, I'll just stick with the var. Maybe one day I'll get a chance to try dbol
Sure this would be a great cycle if you were an intermediate user, but you're brand new tryna stack this many compounds in a single run (and adding two oral cycles during your cycle).
At least you have proper ancillaries, so I will give you that. But it just seems a bit excessive to me. Whatever you decide to do, be safe man.
Thanks bro. I did some reading last night and I'm 100% on dropping the dbol kicker. I'm also going to drop the doage for the Test E to 500mg/wk. The Var is still a go for my finisher (since I already took the liberty of ordering enough for 2 cycles). I'm just a little curious how anyone here would feel about the EQ staying in @ 500mg/wk to help preserve lean tissue. I personally don't see any problems with it being so side friendly and all. I want to run this cycle at a 500cal deficit to build lean mass and burn fat at the same time. I'll run it by Rusty after he gets his 8 hours but, for those that do see this, any opinions? This projected cycle is to start mid January so I'v got a good amount of time to get my shit together before then.
And I know my goals depend on my diet/training. You guys don't need to mention that to me haha. I'm just trying to get everything perfect and learn something along the way.
First cycle should always be Test E 250 @ 500mg a week, for 12 weeks. Like you stated you are a young buck and you should learn how your body works first. Give it time man find out what works the best for you naturally then think about AAS. I know you want the results fast but remember, this is a marathon not a sprint! Best of luck to you brother!
Thank you for your input bro. I'll remember that. I take every bit of advice to heart. Much appreciated.
And guys I understand that this is too heavy for a rookie like me. I apologize for jumping the gun on such a cycle, but that's why I posted here. There are some knowledgeable people here and I really do appreciate all your input! I was just a bit hesitant because this is very likely the only time I'll have to cycle for the next 4 years. It's a long story but I can't take any risks when I'm living on campus. There is zero privacy at military school. But I'll do a little more reading before I make a decision. Could anyone please make a suggestion on how this cycle could look? I could drop the dbol but the rest doesn't seem harsh at all IMO. Other than the dbol, the rest is pretty side friendly. Some constructive criticism would be appreciated.
One compound at a time. Otherwise how will you know how you react to them? Everyone is different, so you have no idea what's "side friendly" or not for you personally. Only way to find out is one new compound per cycle.
You look like you're falling into the "more is better" trap. Run a test only cycle, you're over complicating things unnecessarily.
I understand bro. I haven't bought the EQ yet. Is it alright if I run the far from week 9 to end? I'v already bought tons of it and I don't want it to sit for too long. By week 9, the test E should have taken great affect and if any sides arise, I should know by then right?
I'd just run the test, nothing more. You'll make great gains off that alone.
Will do bro. I'll update this to a test only cycle later today. Thanks for all your help
We have a cycle log in the forums.It would be a lot easier to see what you want to do.You hit it on the head with you should only run test first cycle let alone running 2 orals and a more than needed dose of eq.You do not know how your body is going to respond and if I read right up top you got sensitive from h-drol.take it easy your 23 and only wheigh 166 lbs.You can put on some size from just test.You could prob put on some size with just protein and lots of food.Rethink this.
Thank you for your quick input. I'll take this into consideration and I'll do a little more reading.
Believe me we all come in hyped up and fuck up along the way.Rustyhooker has had to check me before,haha.We been here awhile and just have a lil more exp.Slow and steady wins the race.
I appreciate your response haha. My original projected cycle didn't include Dbol. I always felt it would be too harsh. I just added EQ and Dbol due to the recommendation of a pro BB I know. He recommended I wait two years to cycle but if I'm going to do it, to add dbol and EQ. I understood EQ since I would be I'm a calorie deficit to gain lean mass and burn fat at the same time, but dbol is too common for sides and I understand that if I caught a reaction, I wouldn't know if it was the test or Dbol. But what's your input on EQ? And var? I'v looked into both quite deply and i'v spent hours on end for weeks trying to make this cycle perfect. So I would appreciate some more input. Thanks
RustyhookerI think you fell out the truck and got run over. This you posted.....i punched my phone!
Go read forums a few hours and come back. Also, dont restrict carbs.. You're not in the typical weight/steroid levels.
Damn never seen rusty get so upset he punches his phone lol and he isn't even on cycle
It's just that I'm looking for a leaner bulk. I'm not looking to get huge out of my mind, though that would be nice, I'm just looking for aesthetics. I know it's not necessary to take such a route for aesthetics but i'v been lean bulking for two years now and though the gains are slow, they're solid. I'm just looking for a little boost. I train my ass off and I get such little back. I understand what you're saying bro, I'll catch up on some more reading tonight.
RustyhookerHad to throw tough love brother. First cycle in forums or groups. Simple yet effective. You are too lean. Dont stress....many hargainers in here. Best part is when you're old and ripped...us old fat dudes will be jealous. Lol!
Check beginners group. Get into huge dirty calories. You wont get fat. Real talk...
Rusty knows his shit bro. He has helped me bulk up a solid 15+ lbs with his advice (check my pics for confirmation). Est only bro and you will blow up. 500mg a wk Test E for 12wks and you will get great gains if you pound the food in (keep it clean though) I'm a walking testament to his advice bro. Currently 197lbs 5'7, and still growing. Keep it simple.
Will do brother! You guys rock, I'm going to follow every bit of advice sensei Rusty throws my way haha. Thanks for your response. Feels good to know I have some solid support here
Good to see your open to advice bro. Happy to be the one to take your EROIDS virginity +1 bro.
I will be gentle lol. Welcome bro
Your're the best brother. Thanks for all your help and the rest of everyone here, thanks for a warm welcome!
The reason why I try to keep my calories clean is because of the bloat I get from dirty cals. I'll literally bloat like a baloon one week and look shredded the next. I'v been on a dirty bulk in the past and I do seen to accumulate some more fat than I should. I don't know, maybe it's just the way my body is. It's not very forgiving when I neglect to feed it the right things. I keep my carb under control for that very reason. I don't feel right unless I control my diet although that could be because this is how i'v been for the last two years. Cheat days are rare, I just enjoy eating clean. Thanks for your help bro, I'v joined the beginners forum. Some interesting threads there. Much appreciated.
I know I should run test only for a first and this does seem a little heavy but I have my heart set on this.
Bud I researched for 5yrs and still went with a test only cycle first time and second time around. You will get good results with just test. Too much to soon brother.