posted Mon, 06/03/2013 - 17:28
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Mid cycle joint help??
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Hey guys I'm currently 4 1/2 weeks into my test e only cycle dosing 500mg a week I'm having some of the worst shoulder joint pain ever!!! I'm running Adex at .25 e3d. Was wondering since NPP is deca with short ester could I throw that in mid cycle for relief or should I just maintain with my joint supps? Should I drop Adex and add aromasin, not sure if one is easier on joints since the cause of my joint pain is most likely low estrogen but I'm no expert. My cycle is going to be 12 weeks long may take it 14 but doubtful. If NPP is a no no idea could I run eq or any other aas in the end/2nd half of my cycle?
Thanks everyone for your input and advice it's gratefully appreciated.
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https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/npp-seen-a-lo...
read that link on NPP. I have not run NPP but believe it helps with joint pain. And I think your right E level can effect joint pain too.
Just an update been easy on shoulders and been taking my lovely orange triad and my joint pain has almost completely subsided get a little stiffness after a hard night in gym but no pain. I've reincorporated Adex into my cycle not having any issues with it dosed .25 e3d. Thanks to all my fellow eroiders for there help and experience in this matter.
QtripsDarn, wish I would have seen this thread before I posted mine... The joint pain could also be from the high dose test suppressing collagen production/synthesis rate, besides also being low E2. Just read some stuff about eq and anavar helping joints while on test. Don't know how much merit it has though...
RustyhookerVar and eq have collagen boost.
I'm adding anavar to the end of my current cycle so I'll post up here if it had any change on my joints
@ what week do you plan on starting your var brother?
Week 8
Alright guys haven't taken Adex since Saturday night and my shoulders are improving rapidly so I'm sure my estro was shut down also haven't lifted in 2 days due to the pain but I think ima lift tonight. Also got my joint sups in today so I should be 100% by Monday I hope. So my question to y'all is should I stay off Adex, lower dose, are take less often? Maybe toss Adex and try something different open to suggestions let me know
RustyhookerId skip 1 week then start back. Adex releases estro when not used constantly. Estro saves the joints and is actually good for ya up to a point. Soynds crazy but it loads water, helps joints and you groe!! Too much estro then goes other way with high sides. So it's taking notes, blood tests and exploring/lustening to body. If bloods for example has normsl range at 15-40....id be closer to 40 for the positive things. A few zits are worth the clean growth.
Ok so I hit chest last night for the first time since this started and had some pain felt like ac joint (Had left ac joint injury in the past). So I'm thinking I will just take it easy on chest this cycle I'm sure it was a combo of crashed estro and overworking now. I plan on starting my Adex back up shortly like you suggested. Thanks for all Ur help ima throw u a fr if that's alright
Rustyhookeryessir. Fr accepted. Going easy to not reinjure is wise choice. Volume training still builds muscle by stretching the fascia. Basically, good old fashioned pump.
LaTTTimer99I agree - we need some Estrogen to not only grow but function properly. It's all about finding the balance that works best for you - I personally don't do the blood tests but that's the smartest idea, on top of experimenting - just start slow and find what works for YOU.
For me, I watch my sodium intake more than my sugar intake - so when I get a bloat coming on, I know it's time to sprinkle some Aromasin.
RustyhookerThat balance is a gold key! I'm sure you've seen just in normal cycle how fluctuations can change day to day. Lil things can hit hard.
Salt is a big sneaker on cycle. Just had this convo on pm yesterday. The op double checked and the can sauce had high salt and spiked him. Cycles are amplified...
LaTTTimer99Good job bro - way to test it out and see what your body tells you. Now you know for sure what the culprit was / is.
I weigh ~ 280, and am at the peak of my cycle right now, taking in almost 2 grams a week of gear and I only use MAYBE one - max ONE pill a week of Aromasin (12.5mg) - I will open the gelcap and take maybe 1/3 - 1/4 of a pill as needed (usually once every 3-4 days).
If I take too much, I immediately feel it in my joints and my workouts suffer - yet the recommended dose I think is a whole pill EOD. Fuck that. For ME anyways, that would be way too much - so just experiment and find out what works best for you. You may be like me and need very little AI....
So long answer, IMO do both lower dose and take less often... until you find your sweet spot bro.
Good luck
As u can see I replied to rustyhooker and am having slight discomfort still in ac joints so going to take it easy I appriciate Ur insight on the estro and everything hopefully just slightly bruised and I'll be bouncing back in no time. I still hit bench max last night with the discomfort but today my shoulders are feeling it will take it easy from here on out.
RustyhookerWow! You're the serious extreme! What's your cycle? Trippy how diffent we can be
LaTTTimer99*Post edited -
Update - I was schooled by Beaker & Badger and a few others, and wanted to give you my updated cycle, now that I incorporated the Tren.
I cut my Sustanon dosage down from a gram a week to 500mg a week, split in 2 - I combine my shots:
Weds & Sat: 1/2 cc of 200mg Tren E, 1 cc of Sustanon 250mg, 1/2 cc of 400mg EQ
Daily orals: 25 mg Winstrol tabs split in 2.
PWO: 1 cc - 1.5 cc of T.N.E.
I made the stupid mistake of starting the Tren while still running huge doses of Sus and EQ - not wise on my part, and not fun - to you new guys, and Coconut, please don't make my same mistake. The larger doses especially with Tren are completely unneccessary, and can bring on exponential side effects.
Plus, the great part of responsible cycling is that you are using less gear, which means you'll have more at the end of your cycle ;)
Peace,
T3
Nice update I think you had us all wondering with that cycle good luck with Ur current plan
BigBmajHow much fat are you getting in your diet? I've noticed that oils can make a big difference as well.
Take a look at your posture. If only your shoulders are hurting that is suggestive that posture may have something to do with it. Benching is hard on the shoulders if they tend to roll forward. Then the pec attachment gets tighter and pulls them forward even more. Try opening those things up with some major deep stretching.
Now if you knees hurt too, I'd think it was too low of estrogen.
I don't bench barbell flat bench I use dumbells due to a ac joint injury I had years ago. Never have any joint issues on bench tell my current cycle also my fat intake is 150g
BigBmajI'm sure you are pushing heavier weight tho. Dumbbells still can hurt my shoulder sometimes worse.
I don't know if it may help but doing a shrug variation type row to strengthen the lower traps and pull shoulder blades together helps me.
Fish oil makes a big difference for me. So does large amounts of tumeric and cayenne.
If all your joints hurt I'd be thinking differently.
Good luck.
AnonI would switch to aromasin......do not add npp and eq takes so long to kick...no sense in it....could be low e2......can you get bloods?
So atomasin is better then Adex? And I need to get bloods done but super strapped on cash these next two weeks go figure right when I need them lol
LaTTTimer99This shit works good bro:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/celadrin.html
Kinda bombarded ya with advice, but I agree with rustyhooker - but either way I'd come at this problem with all of these approaches. Get your shoulder pain treated with the link I put up, give yourself some topical relief with this link above, and follow RH's advice.
I'll have to check this stuff out bro thanks I take orange triad for joints but am waiting on my new bottle to come in so I haven't been taking anything for joints.
RustyhookerBlood test. If you're having joint pain it could be low estro. Are you lifting more intensly? Feet/ankles poppy snappy. Joint easy to pop/crack?
Or did ya jump uber crazy into the gym now doing 150%?
Need some info. I wouldn't add a nor..npp/deca. Adding something like that not only masks the real issue, it raises injuries higher in the novice to aas.
Low estro signs...#1 is joint pain, lethargy, squishy boner,, hard to orgasm etc etc. Theres also several people that have posted here crashed estro blood tests even on the smallest ai use. Each body is different!
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No blood test for at least 2 weeks but its only shoulders and I would say I've only jumped slightly in wieght added 10 solid lbs to bench. My shoulders constintely pop and they feel better for a min then go back to aching. No lathargy are half soft dick have been a little harder to orgasm but I think that's due to me knocking the bottom out of my old lady 3 times as much now lol.
LaTTTimer99Good advice, X2. And +1 on your counsel to stop AI for a week to see how body responds...
RustyhookerHardest part of new gear or just being newer is figuring out how ya react. Thank you sir!
RustyhookerIf you started ai before week 4...stop ai for 1 week while you get bloods done. If joints feel great....boom.
Started ai...when?
Started ai week 2 I can pull off of it and see wat happens thanks for the advice RH you've been a big help. I'll update after a week on no ai and let everyone know how I'm doing
RustyhookerIt should help ya. Everyone reacts different in the conversion process. Adex is strong stuff and very efficient. This is where the week 6 blood test is so handy. But starting early...yes it can bite ya. Good luck and keep us updated
LaTTTimer99Stupid question amigo but are you stretching? Is your pain in the rotator cuff? Are you pulling as much as you are pushing (if you're benching heavy, are you evening your body by rowing and pulling heavy)?
1/2 gram a week of Test is really not that much. IMO I would avoid Aromasin unless you plan on using SPARINGLY.... or cut the doses on your A-dex. Me personally, if I ran a 1/2 gram week T cycle, I wouldn't use a concurrent AI - I'd just do PCT of Chlomid, but that's just me.
In the meantime, you might consider looking into this link - self-treatment physical therapy for shoulder injury, as shown by world-record bench presser (910lbs) Donnie Thompson - on occasion I train with some world-class powerlifters, and most of these guys are doing serious band work / rotator stretching before workouts.
Here's the link:
Anyone expriencing shoulder pain - here's a 2-minute video blog by record holding bench presser Donnie Thompson (910 pounds) - compression technique - untweak your shoulder using these techniques.
If it works for a guy that benches 910 pounds, we all might want to look into it.
This is hyperlinked off of my favorite rehab guy I mentioned earlier.
Guys, use these - fuck being old and broken - I will do whatever weird ass shit these guys run if it works for them, and avoid the pain and injury while increasing strength.
http://www.mobilitywod.com/2011/03/episode-205-the-world-record-bencher-...
*This blog is intended as a jump off point for athletes to systematically begin to address their nasty tissues and grody joint mobility. Use at your own risk and stop if you think it's gonna hurt you, your spine is going to come out your throat, or your face goes numb. But, understand that you should be responsible for your own business. Don't wait until you need a new knee. Pony up.
I always stretch before lifting and I go as heavy as possible every wat way lol. I bench the same that I row. And I'll check this vid out as soon as I get off thanks for the advice brotha.
Ice it. Work around it and dont do lifts that give you pain. Maybe ostarine (ostabol) will help.. ive never read of people using it with aas but its said to cusion the joints.. may be worth a shot.
Deca is what I do.
RustyhookerYou'd wait 4Weeks for relief for what might be crashed estro?
I wish I would just ran deca from the start but learn the hard way I guess it's to late to start deca prolly but I would really like to hear some opinions on NPP