mast/sust/winny/anavar cycle advice
Planning on running 12 week cycle
week 1-12: 750 sust weekly
Week 1-12: 300 mast prop weekly
week 1-5: 50 anavar daily
week 6-12: 50 winny daily
Got the 50x 50clomid/20nolva/6.25aromasin for PCT
Thoughts? Suggestions?
5'6", 190 lbs. done previous cycles but all were test prop/enan with either tren or dbol, wanted to change it up. Previous PCT were always 4 weeks of Nolva, with 40x2 weeks, 30 3rd week, 10 4th week. How should I dose combo pill for PCT?
Also ordered 50x 2.5mg letrozole just because, should I dose on cycle with or add into PCT? and I know on cycle is normaly .25 a day how would that be done with 2.5s?
Thanks for any responses in advance. Ive my old username, havent been on this site in over year since I got out of service. This site and all of you guys were a godsend to us when we were overseas helping us find good sources to help us out.
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Sorry its taken so long for me to reply on this.
Firstly, I want to send a huge thank you to everyone who has taken the time to respond to this. Ive been overwhelmed with the help thats been offered,with full integrity, and zero criticism or arrogance. You guys are awesome. And especially a huge thanks to Tzelukie.
I just got back from sams and the fresh market.
3 lbs salmon
10 lbs oatmeal
4.5 lbs steak
6 pounds chicken
2 full heads of broccoli
1lb of spinach
7 1/2 dozen eggs
Heres the diet Im planning
meal 1
5-6oz steak
3 eggs
5 oz oatmeal
meal 2
4 oz salmon
1/2 cup broccolli
1 cup brown rice
meal 3
5 oz chicken
1 cup spinach
meal 4(pre workout)
4 oz salmon
1 cup brown rice
meal 5(post workout)
6 oz steak
1/2 cup Broccoli
1/2 cup brown rice
meal 6(before bed snack)
4 oz chicken (chopped)
1/2 cup chopped spinach
3-6 eggs with everything scrambled together
Feel free to critique, Im open. There will also be plain greek yogurt with fruit and dark chocolate chips whenever I get a sweet craving, and protien shakes after I get used to the food intake.
I plan to run diet 1-2 weeks to work kinks out before starting gear, Ive been eating healthy and good but havent been as anal as I should have been. Cheat day will be sundays, but sundays will also be prep day as I find myself less inclined to eat a bunch of junk on cheat day when I got fresh cooked food in front on me to nibble on as I cook.
Taking the easy approach as suggested, 1-2 weeks after I got diet locked in Im going to run 600mg test a week. Kick starting with prop and doing enan for cycle. I have arimidex on hand, and enough nolva and clomid for PCT. I actually just went ahead and placed a bulk order and stocked up, got tren, adrol,tbol,mast,sust,etc, but none of that will be used this cycle, I just like to get it when I have a solid source. All that will be used to form future cycles.
I plan to run 12 weeks, then PCT.
Open to any input
Also, following the advice again and not using clen. As I said coming in, Im hear with open ears. I had some experience in past, but nothing like what is offered here. Id be a jerk off to ask for advice, have you guys take the time to give it, and then not follow it.
x2 on what has been said, this cycle is not a good selection of compounds and esters to run together and 12 weeks of orals is a very bad idea!
Alright dude. Lets have a look at this. As stated before I don't like your pct, some guys use the cookie cuts I don't and don't recomend it here on this site. We recomend a std pct clomid 100 100 50 50 nolva 40 40 20 20, it will help keep your gains, help keep the estro in check and help with the over sense of well being when you go off, as we all know horemones can be a mind fuck! So that bieng said I would can the pct and pick up the correct stuff, it's fairly cheap and worth every penny.
2-I'm going to give you a Mulligan on choice of compounds because you have prior cycles but it looks like it's been a while since you ran.
3-Being back in the gym for 3 months isn't shit when we look at what kind of commitment that needs to be made to the over all big picture here. My personal opinion is you should wait another few months, get the diet in check, drop some of that body fat and you will have a more succesful run.
4-I have a feeling your going to run something wether or not I think you should so at this point I would highly recomend just a simple Test E or C 500mgs a week with this cycle. Treat it as a first cycle, research it up top. Sus is going to hit you pretty hard if it's been a while and givin the body fat % I would say you have a better then avg chance of estro sides. Just my opinion.
I've never used Letro so I have nothing to offer by way of advice, dosing etc. I use Adex at .25 ed or eod depending on bloods----Bloods get them, read them, understand them, and use them!
5- Take the rest of it and put it in cabinet for your next cycle if you have a succesful run with this one, Mast will be a waste, Winstrol will fuck your lipid panel and the var well you won't realize any of the potetial with a high body fat, my concern is the whole commitment factor, you have a shit ton of gear, bad pct, high body fat and only 3 mos back at it. Not doubting your integraty just trying to make sure it is a nice, safe, succesful run to get you out of the gate. We want to see you succeed in all aspects of this.
So to wrap it up my advice is Test E or C only, Get the proer PCT in place BEFORE you start. If you decide to run the sus which I think you will instead of buying more gear, research proper dosing and pinning schedule to give you stable plasma. I'm not going to give you that because it's not my recomendation, you will have to search it out -use the eyeglass up top...Get your diet and training in check! Up your quality cals, you need to eat to grow, and grow to lose. Good luck bro.
Ok so just to clarify, pick up some test e, clomid, nolva. Save the sus and rest for down the road. And are you saying wait a few more months before I run the test e? What would you suggest I dose the test e? Im actually all ears. You take the time to give the advice Im definitely here to listen.
Good man. plus 1 for attitude. My first thought is wait a few more months and get the diet and body fat in check. I think your going to run anyways so the safest way to go about this would be a nice simple Test E or C 500 mg's a week, keep an I on the estro sides, this is important with the body fat, GET THAT DIET DIALED in. Focus on quality macros. If your diet is good, and your training is on you will see dramatic results.
UPDATE: waiting on payment details,but on advice I placed a further order from a different source for
1x 150mg Test P
2x 400mg Test E
100x .40 clen
Arimidex 60ml (1mg/ml)
60x 40mg Nolva
400mg is the only dose abailable on the E, went with E over C due to using E prior. 500/week was suggested, with 400mg a ml I figured I could 1.5 ml a week, or .75 on a sun/wed schedule(2xweek)
I got the P in case you thought I might benefit from it on the front end, if not I can store it in the cabinet for future use.
Got the clen, if you think I would benefit I plan to run .40 a day, 2 weeks on, 2 off, through the full twelve weeks(or 8?), Ive read that clen works best in 2 on 2 off. Or if you think that should go in cabinet as well, Ill put it up for down the road.
Arimidex, self explanatory, will run if you think is necessary, or even if it just wont hurt. Id rather spend more and be safe.
Nolva, self explanatory
If you think I should get clomid as well, I can get that locally.
Let me know what you think, Im all ears.
YES GET CLOMID. can the Clen see below for details with that Shit. Adex- you need to figure out if you need it not me! That is all your body, to be safe you can run .25 eod after week 3 see how you feel, get bloods, adjust from there. Adex hits hard so don't go high and adjust down, start down go up if needed. The prop. I kick with it, you have some cycles under your belt I'll leave that to you, I think just starting with a basic E run with a good diet will yield you dramatic results... The diet question everyone is different. I'm a short fucker too, I pack weight quick, and lose it slow. Any cycle I run wether I'm bulking or cutting I still have to do some cardio as I gain it quick. We have a diet section here that rivels the fucking internet, dig in. Were about the same size only I'm floating around 8% right now- What I do is very simple
No sodium, no mcdonalds, no subs, no fucking fast food shit,,, its all sodium.. No carbs after 2pm,, If your craving for something, have some fruit, usually it's the sugar your body wants, if your eating enough protien you should be fine. Hit up Vikings AVi he has a tuna shake that he uses when cutting it works and it's not half bad, make it with a pepsi max to make up for the Clen you sold me. If you eat carbs make them quality,,,fruit, whole wheat, whole grains, although I don't eat alot of that either anymore-grains that is. Have a cheat day anything goes.... Thats all I do, I dropped 10% BF in the last 10 months. Good Luck
Thoughts on clen?
Listen to Pale rider. He's one of our resident big brains.. Clen is bad,,, I tried it once thought I was going to fucking die. Between the cramping up, back spasms and my fucking heart being like a sgerble on one of those wheels, I highly advisse against it,,, not just here but everytime I hear someone talking about it.
SHIT CAN IT. If you want i'll send you the money you paid for it if you send me a picture of it in the fucking toilet!
Clen is bad mmm'kay... You risk doing serious damage to your heart and you have no idea the cramping that will await you. Bin it!
Ok I re weighed myself last night. Im down to 183(keep in mind Im a short fucker at only 5 6"). Still need to cut fat, I would say Im at a legitamate 15%(Everyone on internet says 7% when theyre 14%, 15% when theyre 20%, etc) at a 30' waist 42" chest. Would you have any specific diet advice over the next few months? Internet gives tons of conflicting advice, dont eat carbs to cut fat, you have to eat carbs or you wont have energy, only eat carbs in morning, etc etc.
Im kind of picky when it comes to vegetables, like I said before I try to eat a lot of broccoli, spinach, and asparagus because those are three I dont mind.
A little about my body, fat loss is a pain in the ass, some guys get it overnight, some of us just gotta work extra hard. Id say Im good when it comes to gaining though, I just gotta be careful because how much my body loves to put on fat. I blame it on growing up on happy meals while growing up, haha.
I dont mind eating bland or monotonous diet, I enjoy my strength/appearance more than food. I do the tupperware thing mostly, bulk cook on sundays. Any suggestions on a meal plan for the week? I know thats a lot of effort to write something out, if you have an internet reference you could point me to instead Id be ok with that too.
Also zero alcohol consumption, I quit completely after my last go round overseas, just doesnt mix well with me after being over there and obviously the health benefits. So no calories or carbs from that. I know a lot of guys forget to add that in when they consider diet.
Also because of order minimum$, would any of the stuff I already have be usable in next cycle, and if so, do I need to purchase anything else for next cycle? (I ask because of low cost of what Im about to buy may not hit order minimum, and depending on cost of delivery from some sources you save by bigger order). Or if theres anything else I should order for down the road I could go ahead and get now.
And Im not sure If I worded correctly. The PCT pill I purchased IOm not opposed to setting aside and buying something new, PCT is important to me, here for the advice. I also have the Letro on the way. but Ive always heard the .25 dose on cycle which Im not sure how to do with a 2.5 pill. Again, I could be way off track, theres so much info out there, here to learn. Thanks again to all of you for taking out the time, really great to get such a positive response in a community like this
Wow, thanks for all the responses. You guys rock.
Heres what I just ordered.
4x 10ml mast prop 100mg
4x 10ml sust 250
50x 50 mg winny(oral)
50x 50mg var
50x 50clomid/20nolva/6.25aromasin
50x 2.5mg Letrozole
So thats what Im starting out to work with.body fat is high, Id say 15-18%. Ive had a lot of income problems since getting out of military. Even with a stellar military record, airborne air assualt infantry, squad leader, the works, pretty much the only job offers Ive gotten have been 8.25/hr at best. Employers act like I worked at Mcdonalds the past 7 years, haha. Im just recently getting stable, and having enough income to get proper diet, workout, etc. Id say Ive been on a good diet, gym 6-7 days a week, etc for about 3 months now, I wanted to get my body back to listening to me and used to the regimen before just tossing a dose in.
I was hesitant on the "mixed" pct pill, too, my initial concerns being the inability to control dose and not actually knowing what Im getting. It was offered up by one of the high rated and well spoken of suppliers, so I made a spur decision to go with it. The PCT is very important to me, Ive never had any issues before, but Im just not the type to half ass stuff like that.
My goals with this cycle is to get some of that fat down, and pack on some lean mass. Not worried about a huge bulk, just getting my body back into where it needs to be. After having to eat ramen, dollar menu, etc for so long and losing a lot of what I worked years for due to lack of income and even a way to cook/refridgerate for a period of time due to living situation, Im finally getting on my feet and want to work towards where I was at before. My physique was something I took a lot of pride in. I plan on continuing to do multiple cycles down the road, so there will be time for mass bulking and such down the road. Right now I just need my "get right" cycle. I dont have to use everything mentioned, and Im not opposed to using other items as well, Im more concerned about the quality of the cycle and doing it the right way. Im 100% all ears. like I said, my prior cycles were all test e/prop and either tren e or jump start with dbol, PCT was always just plain nolva. So my knowledge is limited. Ive read a lot but theres a lot of conflicting BS floating around on the web and I knew this would be a solid place for advice.
Just a little further on diet. I got the all mighty Sams membership now, and decent income. Ive been mass cooking chicken, steak, and fish. Im not a big fan of anything green outside of asparagus, spinach, and broccoli so I eat a lot of that. Most all of my carbs come from wheat wraps Ill wrap stuff up ion. Lots of eggs. Protien intake is sky high, carbs kinda in the middle. Over all calorie intake probably only about 25-3000 a day. was planning on upping that for cycle and doing a pretty bland straight forward diet geared solely toward a specific calorie/protien/carb/fat goal
Got some good guys in here helping you. Soak it up and you'll straighten this cycle out.
One new compound at a time. 12 weeks of orals isn't gonna treat you well. You'll want something for your prostate if Mast is in the picture. Like mentioned below, what's the BF. You will not benefit from those compounds with a high BF, especially Winny. It will lower your HDL and raise your LDL. I think you're trying to do to much with this. Test and Proviron. Let diet dictate goals.
Is the winnie you will be running oral winnie? If so that will have you running orals for 12 weeks straight. Bad idea.
What are your goals for this cycle? I'm not a fan of the PCT setup you got, are they seperate tabs or is one tab 50-20-6.25. We recommend 100 100 50 50 40 40 20 20 as a std pct, it will be difficult to do this with the aroma in there as you will most likely slam your estro within 4 or 5 days running a double dose. Whats you BF % I only ask as you have var up front and 300 mast prop throughout the cycle with Winny on the tail. That looks to me like a your trying to eat up a considerable amount of fat which is fine but the cycle just doesn't make sense.
Not trying to bust your balls man just trying to get good feel as to how we can best help you.
P.S Thank you for your service!
BF%?
Goals?
Hows your diet?(macros)
How long have you been hitting it hard in the gym?
I totally agree about crashing estrogen with aroma in pct but apparently it's a great pct drug. I dont understand how because 6.25mg had me in normal range on 750mgs of test now what would that do on zero test? Not sure how it works but apparently it does.
Yeah, I use adex when I'm on as I get sides from aroma but, I do use it to taper off the adex at the end so I don't get that Estro spike. I take like 6.25 e3d starting the last week of cycle ending at pct start...It works for me... I don't ever recomend it in the PCT section just because I think a lot of people are careless and wouldnt take the time to pay attention. I smh at the amount of people that come on here in trouble because they didn't research pct, or even bother with an AI. But I was young once too I guess.
Level 2 - well deserved. You're giving out consistent, solid advice T. Keep it up.
RustyhookerBoom! The research factor!