Looking to run multiple quick cycles for winter Bulk
Hey guys, So I'm looking to start my 4th cycle in a few weeks after supplies come in. Well after I make sure with you guys I'm on the right path with the compounds I think I should use.
Main Goal is to run two 8 week cycles, starting towards the end of this month. My last cycle was a 15 week cycle that ended last week of July. I had blood work done, had some high RBC and Hemoglobin levels, donated blood and feel fresh and new. All previous cycles contained Test E, Anastrozol. The last 2 cycles had dbol, deca, anavar (not all in one cycle.. dbol deca on one and var on the other) Just an idea what experience I have with different compounds. I'm open to trying new compounds as getting stuff isn't an issue. Planning the cycle out is the hard part lol.
The cycles I have planned out are:
1st cycle:
1-8 Test Prop 600mg/wk pin eod
1-8 NPP 300mg/wk pin eod with Test P
1-4 Dbol 40mg/ED
1-8 Anastrozol .25/ed (I break out with acne and this keeps it away big time)
PCT
2nd Cycle:
1-8 Test Prop 600mg/wk eod
1-8 NPP 300mg/wk eod w/ Test P
4-8 Anavar 40mg/ed
PCT
I've never done a short cycle or try to run cycles so close together so the main help I'm looking for is how long should the PCT be for, for the 15 wk cycle I did 4 wks clomid 100/100/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20. And then also how long should I take a break for after the first cycle and PCT before I can start the 2nd cycle? I've always heard wait the amount of time you were on the cycle for.
Any changes you guys think I should make or even suggestions of different compounds in general, I'm all ears. Like I said, no problem getting stuff 
Thanks !
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RustyhookerFull stats, priors and goals?
You realize 12 weeks from pct til start.......
age 28Height: 6'1"Weight: 204BF: 13%
sorry i need to update my profile
age 29, 6'1" 215lbs
1st ever cycle was just test e 500mg/wk 14wks, 2nd cycle was test e500mg/wk 10wks, deca200mg/wk 8wks, dbol25mg/ed 4wks, 3rd cycle was test e500mg/wk 15wks, dbol40mg/ed 5wks, var40mg/ed 4wks(dbol kickstart, var at the end with break in between)
My last cycle i fkd my knee up about 4 weeks into it and could barely do any leg workouts.. i continued the cycle anyways basically just doing upper body and light weight leg workouts just to rehab. Obviously put a huge damper on total amount of gains I could make not being able to go hard with my leg workouts but i was already committed to the cycle i said fk it and kept with it.
And ya I miscalculated when I was going to start the next cycle, so really not until about mid November.
I'm just gonna go with the long ester deca and test E, I've been using them and know the protocol already and if i'm gonna use the dbol as kick start i assume front loading would be pointless right?
RustyhookerFlash below loves his deca....frontload for that match imo...nope. The dbol will give that fast water/glycogen load. Then you have plenty time off after to evaluate a short cutter in summer or add mass. Good luck sir!
I would prefer a longer cycle than having to PCT twice. That's just a shitty experience and why live it twice. However, I've run many short cycles as close together as possible. I am also on replacement therapy now.
You would follow the same rule, PCT + time on. Don't get too focussed on the length of time when you do this. It is about your health. Make sure you have pulled the blood work to verify you have recovered and are in range on everything else. You really need to sign off on the results and dont bullshit yourself that it okay to start the next cycle, if things are not all in place.
I'd prefer to use turinabol instead of dbol. I would also inject daily.
I already have both tbol & dbol on hand. Haven't gotten around to using the tbol yet tho, I've heard good stuff about it. Any reason why you'd prefer the tbol over dbol?
16 weeks, plus 2 pcts, thats 24 weeks, why not just run normal deca for 14 weeks? seems more logical and easier than stressing the system in the fashion you have proposed.
I fat thumbed you, but think I fixed it. Damn sausage fingers.
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I've run normal deca before and liked it, but my thought process was I wanted to try shorter esters out and seeings that i'll have to pin way more often it would give a break by breaking it up. Mainly I want to try NPP cuz i've heard a lot of good things about it. If do the longer esters I'd front load the Test E, is it ok to front load the deca too ? normal deca that is if i just do a long cycle. I've front loaded the Test E the last two cycles but never deca
i see 2 options, you either run the long esther cycle, or you run one short esthered cycle for a bit longer.
front loading can be done with longs, yes, but before we get into anything fancy, you need to make a decision on what your going too do, i dont like the original idea of 2 cycles with 2 pcts back to back.
Ya I'm just gonna do a longer cycle with the long ester Test E and deca, I've used both of em and liked them. The main idea behind the original idea was to experiment with short esters and get multiple cycles in but I didn't really think through the pct hell like you menthoned.. Anyways, I've front loaded Test E before but never deca, would it make any sense to front load deca ?
you can front load it if you want, theres multiple ways this can be done, for me personally, i front load for 3 weeks with the deca, i also start my test 3 weeks prior to the deca and i front load that as well, also run the test beyond it also.
easiest way to lay it out with out putting my front load doses in forum (too aggressive) is just take double of your weekly amounts.
so if your weekly amount is going to be 400 a week- front load 800, split dosing- 2 x pins per week is all you need for longs, i do every 5 days with both the test e and the deca.
as i said above i front load for 3 weeks, thats just my way of doing it- all its doing is bringing your blood plasma levels up higher, quicker, the way i do it ( which is alot more than double on the load) by week 4 its in full swing (aggressive).
you will need bloods, you will need cabe and you will need an ai, because with front loading it hits like a brick wall out of no where.
layout what your planning and ill go over it with you.
ok that sounds good, let me lay out a plan in a PM and we can go over it. thanks
no worries mate, you can lay it out in here, more guys can check it over then. cool.
Ok so by now we've established that I've completely ditched the whole idea of multiple quick cycles since it really wasn't worth the PCT twice and other things. I'm also gonna ditch the front loading.
New Cycle plan is:
Deca Nandrolone weeks 1-11 @350mg/wk
Testosterone Enanthate weeks 1-13 @650mg/wk
Turanabol weeks 1-5 @40mg/ed (Got Dbol on hand but I've used it before so wanna try something new)
Anastrozol weeks 1-13 @.25/ed
Caber weeks 1-11 @1mg/wk (I'm new to this one so not sure if thats dosed right and timed out right)
PCT weeks 15-18 (14days after last Test pin) Nolva 40,40,20,20 Clomid 100,100,50,50
Most I've ever done Test at is 500mg/wk. after having a few cycles under my belt now i think it should be ok to bump it up. Let me know what you think and any changes I should make.
sorry to be a pain in the cunt, but i dont like the deca dosing, @ 350mgs a week for 11 weeks, i wouldnt bother.
looking back over, and now ive seen this, you might aswell just bump your test up and not bother with deca, you got your orals.
1-14- 750 mgs of test a week.
that dose on npp would be ok, with deca fuck all, the build up takes ages, it really shines like week 9 and beyond and your cutting it at week 11.
mixed thoughts with deca, some say mild, i say big boy drug if used properly at correct dosing and duration, i reckon im in like week 17 or so now and the deca is shining now, the build up is insane, you wont get that with 350mgs a week.
you also would need prolactin control.
So if I'm gonna run the deca either way would you say a Deca 1-15 and Test 1-17 would be more productive? and if 350mg/wk is a waste then what would your recommended dose be?
pm me mate, get this shit sorted, tell me all you cycle history, deca isnt a joke, recovery can be hard.
RustyhookerI agree with no front load. I enjoyed npp at 300 so believe your dosing will be good. Big foods is the key. It's completely about diet.
Caber... .25e3d. Bloods test week 5 for estro and prolactin. Then you can adjust ai and caber if needed
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Adex imo too high. .25e3d but not from day one. Might hit week 4. The bloods are proof to modify. Crashed estro halts gains.
So I can pretty much take the Caber & Adex .25/e3d same time which will make keeping track easier, and getting bloods is no problem from my doctor, except I'm in NY where you can't just do online tests and go get tested. Last time I got my bloods done I wanted all the main tests done and he wouldn't do the Estro test cuz he said my insurance wouldn't cover it. Which I didn't care cuz I woulda just paid for it lol so as of my last bloods I have an idea of Test and Bloods/Liver but am still clueless where my estro is at