-2 Looking to add Tren to my second cycle....
Right now I'm in the middle of my first cycle. A simple test-c and dbol.... But now I'm beginning to research for my next cycle and I hear amazing things about Tren. My buddy put this stack together for me. Right now this is my plan for next cycle: Personally I think it's a little much.
BUDDY CYCLE
WK 1-6: Dianabol 50mg/ed
WK 1-12: Deca-Durabolin 600mg/wk
WK 1-12: Testosterone-Enanthate or Testosterone-Cypionate 250mg/eod
WK 11-16: Trenbolone-Acetate 75mg/eod
WK 13-16: Testosterone-Propionate 200mg/eod
WK 1-16: Arimidex or Letrozol 1mg/eod
WK 17-20: PCT
MY CYCLE
WK 1-6: Dianabol 40mg/ed
WK 1-12: Testosterone-Cypionate 400mg/wk
WK 1-10: Deca-Durabolin 200mg/wk
WK 13-14: Nothing
WK 15-16: Nolvadex 40mg/ed
WK 17-18 Nolvadex 20mg/ed
This is my second cycle and I was looking for insight on how it will make me progress and If there's anything I can adjust to make it more beneficial... I'm debating right now if I should keep the 3 weeks of test-p in it or not...
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Dang bro,
Tren does some special stuff when it comes to body re-composition. (lowering fat and increasing mass at the same time). I'm not gonna put you down bro or yell at ya either. You don't weigh a lot and in my humble opinion that really needs to be fixed BEFORE, you start pinning more drastic compounds. When you use steroids to bring your body weight UP to 200 lbs, you are making them less effective than they otherwise could be for you in the long run. If you're heart is set on using some chemical assist, I would plan on a serious of simple 12 week Testosterone only runs until u get that muscle mass up. Get that bench to 315, squat and dead lift to 495 (these are just 1 RMs - not working weight). If you want to build mass you must have the strength required to push the kind of weight to build that beautiful thick mass. I know guys at 200 lbs. that rep out with 315 on the bench with ease. I just want you to succeed my friend. If you want to through deca in there - post this whole thing in the cycle logs if you have not already done that I didn't checck and put your PCT in there as well - and if u want deca - make sure we see the caber in the log as well.
Love you bro (no homo)
GearHead
those numbers are too easy. he can push harderrrrrr and eat morrrrrrre without any gear if he does it right!!!
AnonFor a second cycle this is off
What about caber
Danny Boy...
I hope that was a typo with the test e/c 250mgs every other day? Enanthate and cyp are once a week injections. By week three it'll all build up and hit you at once! I didn't read the whole thread to find out, so I'm putting that out there. I'm 5'8" 180-185lbs 12%bf. People always say diet diet diet.... But it's for a VERY good reason. You can take all the gear you want, but if your not taking in twice your bodys weight in grams of protien, then your only getting 15-20% of what gear can actually offer you. If you have trouble eating 6-7 meals a day, tren will only make that worse for you. If I was you, I'd only be looking into equipoise after Ive reached at least 200lbs naturally at 6'1" with lower than 15%bf. So after pct, gain as much as you possibly can off gear. Stretch out your stomach so your used to eating big. Then run a couple "lighter compounds" and see what gear can really offer you. You should really post a progress picture. No offense but 7%bf is hard to believe.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/body-fat-percentage-table
Danny BoyYeah it was a typo dude.... dude I'm going to put on the damn pinch calibers and take some pictures and show the math, everybody says that you can't be 7% or 5%, I am that simple dude... I'm trying to gain weight I wanna be 250ish of solid lean muscle. I started out at 145, this is my third week on my cycle and I'm at 173.5 to about 175.5, my bench is up 40 lbs and my squat the same. I know its working and Im eatting soooo much food all day long food food food, tuna, white rice, chicken, streak, eggs, protein shake ,greek yogart banana special k protein with granola protein added.... I mean I eat dude.... Since I'm bulking Ill go to BK once a week and buy 4 spicy chickens and 2 double cheese burger and a large carb, I mean fry and eat it one shot....Thank you for the link dude, I'm about to read it in about 15 minutes....
Well, if you really wanna bring up your weight, bulk up your legs. Glutes, calves, quads, and hamstrings are the largest muscles in your body. Or at least they're supposed to be. That could be 20lbs right there. Lift HEAVY, Train to squat more than you bench. Just concentrate on this cycle and PCT. Don't think of anything else for now. Week by week make goals. Up your maxes by 60lbs then 70lbs. By week 4-5 the test cyp should be in full force. Amino acids and creatine are always good. I make the best weight gainer shakes in the blender with 1 banana, 1/4 cup peanut butter, 30g protien powder, 2 cups milk, 1 water, 1/2 cup raw oatmeal, and some honey. I drink two of these a day. With a normal protien shake post workout along with three FULL meals, and 30mg casein protien before bed. You should be going through 2 gallons of whole milk a week as well as a normal size tub of whey protien powder. On gear your body will use everything you feed it when your lifting heavy to fill in the torn muscle fibers through protien synthesis, stacking on mass. Your more than likely extremely ecdomorphic. So lift heavy (with proper form to avoid injury) while your on that dbol you gotta make the gains cause you'll lose some size once you stop.
6-1 and 173lbs. You need to take a serious look at your diet if bodybuilding is your goal.
Your friend is giving you crap information.
Danny BoyI'M BULKING UP, I WANNA BE AROUND 250ISH, I STARTED OUT AT 145 LBS SO I THINK IM MAKING GOOD PROGRESS.... HIGH PROTEIN MOD CARBS MOD FATS 40:40:20
The BUDDY CYCLE is all so wrong.... deca higher than test? then adding in another 19nor? then a massive surge of prop to finish?...... somebody is seriously taking the piss with this one lmfao!.
The MY CYCLE ... is alright, and with the right diet (cal/pro rich ) will give nice , safe, uncomplicated results.
YOUR BUDDY NEEDS SMASHING IN THE FKN TEETH.
Danny BoyThe switch from Testosterone-Enanthate to Testosterone-Propionate at the end will allow the PCT process to begin approximately 3 days after your last injection.
I,m not fkn stupid ... you think i just fell out of a fkn tree ????? problem is you fkn idioT with 200mg EOD that works out at 800mg pr week........ thats NOT a fkn taper you dummy, thats a heavy cycle!
But thanks for educating me on taper protocol... i ,ll get a PRO TAG in the post to you ASAP............. LMAO!
FYI........ Ive been running juice longer than you have been walking the earth, so any BS info you input on these boards i will be all over you like a fkn rash....... feel me!!
Peace out.
Anonl m a o
I don't know what you're aiming for in the longrun, but I can tell you that in the short run, keep it simple.
Don't add any more then one new compound at a time, ever.
You'll need to pay close attention to your body for any changes or reactions to the compound throughout the cycle, from first pin to end of PCT you'll need to make sure you're ready for any reaction your body will have. If you introduce more then one, you're setting yourself up for failure.
If your body reacts really well to one compound but not the other, there's no way for you to know which.
You could guess, but you don't know if the reaction is from the initial introduction of the chemical or from the breakdown. So there's no way you could guess accurately.
I'm sure you're very well in tune with your body, but it's impossible to be able to tell something like this.
Tren is no joke btw. The sides will happen. Period.
They're not light either.
If you get sides from Test-c and dbol, then I can only imagine what you'd be like with Tren.
IMO, keep it to an absolute minimum with the amount of compounds until you notice that you have to start using more mg per pin. THEN add the additional compound on the following cycle.
'If it ain't broke, don't fix it'.
Tren is one of those compounds that you don't use until your already using large amounts of other compounds and need that extra give.
...tren sides are by far the worst though.
Why wouldn't you just add the Deca to your next one? Are you aware of prolactin problems?
Danny BoyWhat I'm really doing for my second cycle is the same as right now, test-c and dbol. I'm going to add 200 mg of deca weekly for 10 weeks. The cycle I posted is what my buddy stacked for me.... so i posted it for comments, and right now I dont believe im ready to run tren. So, im just going to add deca for this cycle then for my third im going to introduce anadrol... if things go as planned on these next two runs, im going to do what my buddy stacked up for me....
Got a lot to learn..
So for your second cycle you want to introduce not one but three new compounds (deca, test prop, and tren)? How exactly will you know which compound is producing a certain result or side effect? Not to mentio to 19 nors without caber will most certainly kill your libido. This cycle is just a mess.
Please add one new compound only to your previous cycle to gauge the benefits/sides. A good second cycle would be:
test c or e 500 mg/week
eq 750 mgs/werk
dbol 50 mg ed week 1-4 (and this recommendation is based solely on the fact that you used dbol in your first cycle)
Also use letrozole as a last resort, it will literally kill all estrogen in your body, which you need for joint health and libido among other things.
RustyhookerCheck dudes stats.....
Looks like you just threw that cycle together based on what he has ran and what you think would be a safe 'new' compound for him to run.
First off, those compounds don't even go together. Eq with a dbol kicker?? Watch him swell up for 4 weeks, then lose about half his size before the eq even kicks in. Not to mention eq and dbol don't even remotely yield the same results.
Lastly, his first cycle isn't even ran right. He don't need 3 compounds. He needs 1, maybe two if he's a hard headed been that won't listen, and a good diet.
Danny BoyI'm running two compounds right now... My good friend does NPC and told me to look into adding tren to my next cycle.... I told him I would get some more info on it and how I could incorporate it in, but I'm not sure I'm going to run it this time around. Originally I was going to keep the same cycle test-c and dbol, but toss in some deca before I moved up to tren.
Rustyhookertren is a bitch....literally. It is not simple or easy. It's Ed pins, twice a day bp checks and adjustments, aggro, sweaty, slave to the cycle pain in the ass. No offence but you are NOT ready for a tren run. You cant at this time even tell your current bp or estro simply by knowing your body.
Don't be foolish!
Danny BoyI gauge my esto by water retention in my ankles.... I check my bp daily.... i already have aggression issues running this cycle now. its only test-c and dbol...
RustyhookerThen you're on the wrong site asking folks who been there. Npc buddy knows all.
Ya know being in NPC is simply pay a fee right. Same as being in any "club".
Danny BoyPersonally I don't know about NPC, I'm all about BB. Hey gives me advice, but I think he tells me what works for him.... I come here because sometimes there's people that's willing to help and give out good info, when they don't think their king know it all.
RustyhookerYour stats....6-1 & 165.
Your diet is what will blow you up. Not gear. You should be hitting well over 6000 caliries year round and 8000 on cycle. Or you're never gonna grow.
Danny BoyI have to update my status im up to 173.5 lbs. so far I've again 8 and a half pounds in two weeks
RustyhookerIm sure you fully see/understand the points made.
Danny BoyI understand dude, I'm just a noob stick to basic cycles until I fully understand my body and how it reacts to introducing new chemicals. Also it's important to maintain a healthy and well maintained diet in order to grow and not rely fully on the AAS. So would you suggest that I just introduce deca into my next cycle before going any further? It's only one new compound and it's my understanding that it's the next stepping stone on moving up the ladder...
RustyhookerI wouldn't advise deca at all. You need huge calories....all natural til at least 200lbs. If calories don't match goals you're simply dumping money. And gains will be lost