posted Thu, 05/28/2015 - 17:42
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Looking for cycle critique
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ALways looking for feedback and constructive criticism. My upcoming cycle.
Stats 41yo, 5'8
218lbs
12-13% BF
Injectibles
Weeks 1-20 Test Cyp 750mgs per week
Weeks 1-20 Primobolan Enanthate 800mgs per week
weeks 6-11 Tren ace 100mgs EOD
Orals
Weeks 1-6 Anavar 75mgs per day
Weeks 17 -20 Winstrol 50mgs per day
Weeks 1-20 Arimidex 0.5mgs mon/wed/fri
Weeks 6-11 Caber 0.5mgs twice a week
Other compounds
HGH 4iu per day (been running for a year already)
Nac 1200mgs per day through out
PCT
Cruise on TRT dose of 175mgs per week
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RustyhookerYou're killing primo with high test bro. Primo is a chisler....test will fluff you. Anti climatic.
Agree with mak...I prefer short esters over orals to kick. They're working alone at that point and waste of money.
Simple things like dropping to trt level many weeks before primo ends. Lower test after initial bulk attained. I love manipulating testosterone where I can. Hit your bulk then drop it low. Let those finishers do their jobs. Example is equipoise. Get the bulk first 12 then test goes low....eq will do its deal.
Your goals here are important especially when primo is over 600 bucks by itself. Recomp? Cutter?
I like that... especially the anti climatic part
Not a fan of running the var at the start with that high of BF. Some people say they run it for strength gains but there are better and cheaper alternatives for that. I would run some Tbol instead. IMO var is a finishing compound for an already lean physique, That is where it really shines. Best to be run when under 10%BF and even better around 7-8%.
I think you have way to much stuff in this cycle. Don't see the need for the tren a.
Kick with the Tbol to get the cycle going and when you finish that the test should be going in high gear and then let primo do the work by cutting your test dose in half for the rest of the cycle. I wouldn't be apposed to finishing with a hardener such as winnie if your body fat is low enough. That would be two orals in this cycle so you need proper liver supps. They should be spaced far enough apart that you should be ok, but I would get bloods taken before you start a second oral in the cycle.
I am not going to get into dosages and other stuff unless you are actually open to suggestion.
I am open for suggestions that's exactly what I'm looking for.
Thank you as well for your response and time.
First off I have not ran a primo cycle yet, but I have been researching deeply on it because I plan on running it for my next competion cycle. Since you have primo, var, winnie in this cycle I am assuming you are planning a cutting cycle. Twenty wks is probably the perfect amount of time for a primo cycle. Even with an enanthate ester, alot of wise people that I have talked to before about primo said the longer you run it the better the results (its a patient man's compound like EQ). 800mg is about where I plan on running it also. As far as the amount of test you are running with it, I don't see anything wrong with running higher test at the beginning but once the primo starts to kick in, let that be the compound doing all the work and bring the test down to more of a trt level to keep everything happy and working there. You should be down to a fairly respectable BF level by this time using a proper diet (hopefully in single digits) which will allow the effects of primo to really shine through and just improve as the cycle progresses. Don't cover it up with excess water from aromatization due to higher test levels. You may want to drop that HGH also since that may make you retain water also, covering up the results of the cycle.
As far as the tren in this cycle, I see no need for it. Again let the primo and your diet do the work here and avoid all those nasty sides tren can produce. Seems like it would be a much more enoyable cycle to me.
As far as orals, you already know my stance with the var. Not at the beginning here. Your safest bet would be to run a prop kicker and then choose an oral finisher such as winnie or var, but not both orals together. I'm assuming you have ran both of these before so for whichever one you choose use your dosage and time on them that has worked for you.
The one addition I would add to this cycle is proviron. 50mg/ED split AM/PM. This will free up more test when you drop test levels mid cycle and with this addition and lowering the test you may be able to get by without any AI.
As far as diet goes, I cannot see this cycle failing if you follow a proper diet. Diet is the key to every successful cycle so here is an example cutting diet you may want to follow if you are interested.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-loss/your-fi...
good luck.
Thank you for your advice, I am actually going to run it exactly like you are describing, so would you run the proviron from day 1? or from the time I drop the test dosage around week 10 or 11.
Run it from Day 1 and stop once you start your PCT.
Rustyhooker^^^^^^He nailed it all.
So your KCAL intake is around 7-8? Macros is 327+/150-175/120? Your eating about 7-8 times per day and getting all your carbs before 1400 hrs? And, u do cardio 2 times per week each session is 15-20min? Also, whats your cycle history? And, how long have u been on TRT 175mg/wk? What is your AI dose during TRT?
Have been on trt for 3 years now. I have not needed an AI during trt cruise my E2 has always been in range according to my endo.
As far as diet and training I have a coach and nutritionist working with me to attain my goals. My ultimate goal is to hit the stage in Masters division within the next 2 years. I competed in my younger days but being over 40 has many new challenges lol..
Cycle history
Lets see first cycle was an ampule of dynabolon and 2 amps of sten per week about 20 years ago, may have been some reforvit B there as well been so long
Examples of typical cycles over the last few years
12 weeks of test @ 600mgs with tren @ 400mgs
6 weeks shred of prop/ tren/ mast
20 weeks of test @600mgs and EQ @ 600mgs
Incorporating orals in the longer cycles as either a kickstart or a tail
I have used pretty much everything under the sun. I ventured into crazy territory at crazy doses but understand that the minimal required for desired goal is the way to go and wouldn't do that again as I prefer the hard look rather than the bloated pilsbury doughboy look but to each their own.
Why are you waiting for 2 years? No better time that the present. I see absolutely no reason why you wouldn't be stage worthy after completing the diet and cycle I outlined above. No more excuses.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/top-3-excuses-i-hear-f...
Awesome...why not test/mast e/provi...your dialed in diet and cardio...along with AI...just saying for less compounds...thanks for response
I guess Proviron is one of the orals I have not ran in a proper way yet. Used it before knowledge and the internet boards and forums when the knowledge we had was the old guys in the gym pushing whatever. I guess I really never understood the true use of the drug. I understand that it raises free test and is a DHT derivative. Have you used it before? I have used Stanolone (Pure DHT) so I am assuming it would be comparable to that. What dosages would you recommend.
Thanks for your time MedDx its much appreciated
Edit
Depending on how much Test dosages you use. If your test dosages add up to 1000mg per wk, then try 50mg per day, initially.
What is your goal for this cycle? What is your test level, while cruising at 175mg/wk? Do u have proviron on hand?
Test lvls at 175mgs are typically between 454 and 460 ng/dl. Yes I have proviron on hand.
Tren is in the middle as its ace and I am timing it so it hits when test is at peak levels since I am running a long and short ester. Primo starts to shine for me around week 12 so its like a second "kick" after the var waiting for the primo.
I typically run my test at 600 during blast but thought id up it this time to see
My goal is slow steady quality gains. 5 to 7 pounds would be wonderful staying sub 12%
Okay...i see your goal...
I don't understand why tren is right in the middle? Also I don't think that high of test is necessary, but someone with more knowledge will chime in to clear that up. What is your goal with this cycle bro?
X2....a lot of extras at the wrong time....would like to see clarity for this thread....