Libido, tren and Bangkok
Hey Brothers. I'm wrapping up a tren cycle in a few weeks and have a big trip to Bangkok right after my last pin. I'll be switching back to low dose test cyp for my cruise as I always do. This is actually my first tren cycle and it's been awesome. I'm running it at 1.2cc EOD and test p at 0.8cc EOD. Sides have been very manageable for me. My libido is through the roof and I feel great. I've been on a cut and have been able to even as a bit of lean mass through it.
My question is, we all know what single men do in Bangkok and I'm just worried if my libido will tank right after coming off tren. Like I said, I will be doing my normal cruise of low dose test cyp and up till now my libido is fantastic.
Any thoughts? Would hate to be in Bangkok with a limp dick and all that pussy waiting to be pounded. Haha
I do have Cialis, but I don't like taking it caus it gives me horrible headaches. Plus I've never had libido issues.
Just wondering if things might be different or what to expect.
Thanks!
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The thing to do would to start the test E asap,this will give it time to build levels so you wont miss the prop.you can lower it to a trt dose when you return.Of course prop and tren are easy to get in Bancock so you could just start trt upon return.Seek out that guy Dr Tony Hugh he can get you the gear and some prostitutes.Win/Win! lol
Here's an idea.... For the last couple weeks of the cycle I will end with Test P 350mg p/w and Tren A 525mg p/w
I'll be gone for 1 week, what if I were to pin:
400mg Test E and 600mg Tren E the day before I left?? This retains the 1.5/1 tren/test ratio I've been using.
Would this keep my pornstar status throughout my trip??
Would it cause too much hormone fluctuations??
Thoughts??
RustyhookerUmmmm...you tell us. Half life is? How long to enth and blood test on cycle?
You're thinking so hard that stress along will kill your dick
Yeah you're probably right. I tend to over think things. Timing that just right would be a difficult task. There are ester calculators online, but even then, with tren e, it's a different compound and it wouldn't be the same.. I'll just take my last pin on prop and Ace the day before I leave and test cyp at trt dose the day I leave. That normally works well.
Any thoughts on this idea???
1 week.... most testos spike the same way at the beginning,
you could check current blood plas levels of test for an approx 12 hours to 1 day post shot,
If you know the level, you could work out the dose needed to give a boost that results in your 5-7 days later plasma levels being somewhere around what normal daily levels are at
check pharcokinetics of the compound, for half life etc...
Interesting concept. Could you explain further? I'm a little slow on science and math equations. Haha
It won't be the same as on Tren but you should be ok as long as your prolactin and estrogen levels are within range.
I thought my libido tanked off tren but it was just relative - you go from fucking like a pornstar to struggling to get it up the third or fourth time in 24hrs haha. Everyone reacts differently. Keep some Cialis on hand just in case.
my experience is im a porn star on tren. , off im still good. , but not like on. ... hey. roll the dice , and look for the adams apple , and i tie down. lol
RustyhookerPeople in bangkok find ladybois. Im sure dude wont mind
Hahaha. Yeah, there are a lot of lady boys, but there are a lot of incredibly hot Thai girls as well. I just love the thai girl attitude toward sex. It's much more open than in the US.
RustyhookerHand usa prostitutes cash and they love ya too. Lol
Trt should keep libido in check. Depends on your body reactions.
I'd be more worried about the STI's. You don't know where that pussy's been.
Fuck it we are all gonna die. Haha. It's actually quite hard to contract anything that would be serious anyway. HIV is almost impossible to get and anything else can be cured by antibiotics, but yeah, still a risk.
I've been there more times than I can count and own a home in the Philippines also. The std rates are WAY lower than the dirty girls in the states. Those girls do have sexy often but they are typically with wealthy foreigners with money that wrap it up. Most of those girls are also ages 14-19 and then go home after a year of making money. So it is actually much 'cleaner' than some bar girl over here that's 30 and sleeping with nasty men. Yes they still have an std problem but it's not as bad as most think.
This is very true brother. Very very true.
Fuck it we are all gonna die. Haha. It's actually quite hard to contract anything that would be serious anyway. HIV is almost impossible to get and anything else can be cured by antibiotics, but yeah, still a risk.
Watch out for hep c to brother, as for the libido grab some caber. Shit works wonders . Even prami works .
High pro lactin levels will most definitely cause erectile dysfunction, high prolactin does not only come from prolactin secreting tumors in the pituitary . Tren when used at high doses or pro longed periods will decrease thyroid function which will raise prolactin and cause gyno and erectile dysfunction! Caber and prami will directly correct the issue of high prolactin .. and adding a little t3 to your tren cycle will also help !
Caber while not directly prescribed for this will also decrease the amount of time it takes to recover after you blow your load , therefore increasing the amount of times you plow your chicks .... just sayin
No one can diagnose the man with high prolactin just by guessing. No need to take it if no need. Only bloods will tell him that. I've used caber a few times. Pharma. In my honest experience, the whole refractory time reduction thing is bullshit. Maybe for older guys, but for a young buck like me who fucks like a beast regardless of whether I'm on or off, I noticed no difference in libido after adding 1 mg of dostinex or cabaser a week. Everyone is different.
Oh, and if she can take another plowing any time soon after you're done with her then you didn't fuck her hard enough lol
Ouch ! Old man , no tryin to start a problem just sayin that some people are more sensitive to the increased prolactin levels with tren , I fuckinnlove tren but I am prone to high prolactin levels from it. So I need the caber or prami , you might be young enough now to not feel the effects , but I won't go near any 19nor's without that stuff. Just FYI I might be older but I can still lift some heavy ass weights ! Lol
I didn't even look at your age. I was playin. 34? Young as shit. We're both young men.
I know bro just Breakin balls , always good to chat with someone who knows about stuff!
Caber and prami are not libido supplements. We don't use prescription medications recreationally.
Contrary to shitty advice here, do stress, and this is a great question. Limp dick will be caused by crashing your estro, or high estro. Or by the tren reducing to DHN giving an imbalance between DHT and DHN.
You should be ok as long as you manage your estro, just dont crash it,
If its high estro, you know what to do
If you feel its DHT imbalance, then take a DHT steroid, will fix it straight away.
If you crash estro, just wait it out and use cialis and a cock ring! The brazzers won't mind!
Contrary to shitty advice here high prolactin does not cause erectile dysfunction, unless you have a brain tumour in the pituitary and hyperprolactinemia - so caber will never be needed to support in the case of in-range levels, just manage estro to keep there
+1 for thinking ahead/with your dick!!
RustyhookerTheres been plenty of people here with high prolactin issues from tren/nor. Only bloods will tell. And low crashed prolactin causes sex dysfunction as well.
normal levels
Prolactin 1
Nonpregnant women 4-23 nanograms per milliliter (ng/mL) or 4-23 micrograms per liter (mcg/L)
Men 3-15 ng/mL or 3-15 mcg/L
Pregnant women 34-386 ng/mL or 34-386 mcg/L
Children 3.2-20 ng/mL or 3.2-20 mcg/L
Yes sure thing high estro increases prolactin..
Show me someone that can actually factually attribute it to a 19 nor. Thats another debate though for another time.
Re: low prl, agreed. High prl doesnt cause ED though (am referencing "get caber" below. Not needed for libido unless the prl is already low, but would imagine his on cycle bloods or post cycle bloods would highlight that (presuming they are being done of course)
RustyhookerYou know I've posted med reports that crashed prolactin causes ed.
You also know I've posted reports on high prolactin causing ed.
Yet, you're stuck on tumors. Not even thinking about the reality here that EVERYTHING we do here is outside the norm.
Normal folks dont post crashed estro. Normal folks dont post estro at 600. Normal folks aren't posting test at 11,000.
So jump off your high horse parrot.
I'd be happy to give 100 karma to anyone that what we discuss is anything "normal".
Even trt is trial and error. Still outside normal. A normal person isn't injecting at all. Its done for medical reasons. Following the 300-1100 range. Unless its a quack in the box
winnies and runs away
On a serious note...
In support of your normal rant... there is no discussion in the post on the levels of blood prl in prolactinoma cases versus high prl levels in the average joe and/or bodybuilders using AAS. #. A comparison would be useful as my knowledge is from reports on ED and not necessarily AAS/Bodybuilding which you rightly point out is the route that should be taken... so I have done both a literature review and a search of eroids bloods listed (that I could find in a quick search) on high prolactin.
This is long, so in summary:
The evidence shows 2 things
1. We can probably but not definitely rule out tumours as a cause of high prolactin (Prl), just not entirely as it is still a consideration in rare cases and we are all about health here on eRoids, so bloodwork is essential to ascertain blood levels and possibly a brain scan for tumours, in the case of levels listed in the lit review.
2. That high prolactin does not cause Erectile Dysfunction (ED) directly, but may less likely/possibly/sometimes do so indirectly by lowering testosterone (possible, however there is no evidence of this in any of the the bloodwork listed) and that ED can exist in high prl cases primarily where there is low test, and/or high estro. It can also exist in cases of hyperprolactinemia, and cases not attibuted to AAS including both pituitary tumours and also in (1 year) off-cycle AAS users and for an unidentifiable cause in a non-AAS user.
This is what I have gathered. You might find it interesting or not, I will create a separate post on this too actually.
High prolactin and Erectile Dysfunction... a case for fact versus fiction, a lit review and eRoids bloodwork review
On physiologically high prolactin (hyperprolactinemia).... hyperprolactinemia is often caused by macroadenomas (10 mm or larger) which are more common in men. A prolactinoma is likely if the prolactin level is greater than 250 ng/mL and a level of 500 ng/mL or greater is diagnostic of a macroprolactinoma. Selected drugs including risperidone and metoclopramide may cause prolactin elevations above 200 ng/mL.
(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3853872) and (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20039901 and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11155212)
So mild hyperprolactinemia is usually >20, to 50 ng/mL range and men with hyperprolactinemia may present with erectile dysfunction (although the literature doesnt specify high vs mild)
(http://www.clevelandclinicmeded.com/medicalpubs/diseasemanagement/endocr... AND https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3853872)
But... sexual dysfunction is not caused by high prolactin -- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18082071)
Conflicting evidence? I don't think so, bear with me... I searched through a boatload of blood reports of high prolactin here on eRoids... I was not selective and just went with what i saw, 1 by 1 and took data that was relevant and included everything for a certain amount pages before I almost went blind! This is them:
5 months post cycle, following gyno and a letro caber run 30 days post cycle, no mention of pct... Listed high Prl, but is only at upper end of most scales, so elevated. This blood work suggests a 30day post cycle/last inj letro/caber run (no full pct details) for gyno would have lowered prl (16.4 ng/ml from an even higher level (who knows, so must keep digging for on-cycle results). However, it is important to note that letro will have smashed an elevated E2 level which is now mid way on the listed scale. Suggest perhaps it was sky high post cycle, supporting/supported by existence of gyno dev, or he is a huge aromatiser, went zero and rebounded all the way bgack up to midway (less likely on its own given gyno or else both together are plausible). -- (https://www.eroids.com/pics/prolactin-blood-test-feedback)
On blast cycle bloods elevated prl at 17, estro through the roof, libido problems -- (https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/prolactin-is...)
TRT blast high prl at 18.1, no E2 / test reading, but other forum posts indicate possible serial estrogen offender (disclaimer: speculation on my behalf) -- (https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/prolactin-too-high-now...)
High prl, low free and total test with low libido, used clomid to recover and libido sorted -- (https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/low-testoste....)
On cycle bloods, elevated prl at 20.2, but high test and no libido issues -- (https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/high-prolact...)
Pre first cycle high prl levels at only 20.9 caused by a medication but no libido issues mentioned -- (https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/first-cycle-look...)
Conclusion: We can probably but not definitely rule out tumours as a cause of high prolactin, just not entirely as it is still a consideration in rare cases and we are all about health here on eRoids, so bloodwork is essential to ascertain blood levels and possibly a brain scan for tumours, in the case of levels listed in the lit review.
In all presented eRoids bloodwork cases listed, none had prolactin levels so high they are likely to be tumour related. Prolactin was either elevated to upper end of range, or high at literally just over the 20ng/ml upper point. In SOME/the majority of cases there were libido issues but not all. In ALL of these cases of elevated or high prl was accompanied by high estro, low testo, low fsh/lh, with 1 case sorted by clomid, 1 case high prl precycle. There were 2 cases of high prolactin with high or normal testosterone and no libido issues
I think there is a lot of bloodwork evidence here to prove that high prolactin does not cause ED directly, but perhaps indirectly by lowering testosterone, and that ED can exist in high prl cases primarily where there is low test, high estro and also in cases of hyperprolactinemia, and cases not attibuted to AAS including both pituitary tumours and also in (1 year) off-cycle AAS users and for an unidentifiable cause in a non-AAS user.
RustyhookerSupernova? Post up pix. Half your rant is garbage.
Ps....i didnt read your biography there
imquantumleapingnruh
Okey doke, shame! Sure let's leave it at that
Peace
BOOM!
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/nolva-while-on-tren
This link you posted http://www.uptodate.com/contents/high-prolactin-levels-and-prolactinomas...
Somewhat supports what I have said re: tumours
Re: your normal rant... you have just been on another forum saying I was WRONG for saying that a chap with possible low test issues should reconsider the conventional normal. You are contradicting yourself here. I agree with what you say here about outside the norm.
What is a high-horse parrot? I have heard of horses, heard of parrots, but no hybrids. hmm!
sorry I said shitty advice on prl/caber - I didnt mean that, and said it in error.
But the point itself in high prl is valid.
Ignore the shitty advice part, didnt mean it!
Very good advice. Thank you brother!
no worries!
unreal89I just came off a long cycle which ended with 8 weeks tren ace libido is still there during pct and after so i imagine if your cruise on test your fine
Thank you sir. By the way, I fucking LOVE tren. The strength, the physique changes, the aggression, the sex drive, the sarcasm. It's fucking great. The sides are very manageable for me.
unreal89Im more normal on tren then being off cycle deffinetly my favorite compound
Don't stress about any of that bro you can pick up Viagra/Cialis and testosterone there because they're all legal! Just grab some prop, Caber and cialis just for fun
I actually just stopped using Caber. I was using 0.25mg 2x per week and had a blood test and Prolactin was at 1.8(low). I guess I don't get progestin related sides??
Tren doesn't increase libido, test does. So you are good to go! A low dose of cyp will keep that libido up as long as your prolactin and estrogen are in check
Thank you sir!
Do you have proviron? 50mg a day will help in that area.
I do sir. When would you start taking it?
I personally would be running alongside tren, and as long as your running test and want the extra libido, add provi. Tren wont hurt your libido, as long as test doses are good, but personally tren for me, I cant nut, know what I mean? I can go m all day but have a hard time finishing lol...
GL
peekyblindersoon has you see them ladyboys you be ok lol
Bwahahaha!! My worst nightmare is finding out too late. Thankfully, they make it known so that never happens.