posted Wed, 09/07/2016 - 08:38
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Holy crap! I just finished my PCT (standard 40/40/20/20 and 100/100/50/50) and used HCG for last 7 weeks of cycle and up to PCT. I did everything but the books. Has a Testosterone level check and just got the results, 79.6!!! someone please help me, I need advice. Should I run a second PCT? Do another HCG blast? Am I TRT bound??
EDIT.... Just got LH/FSH results. They were 0.1 and 0.3 respectively. Extremely low...
I will follow the advice and begin HCG blast followed by another PCT.
THANKS ALL!
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UPDATE:
I've been running HCG for about 14 days now,
My test levels are at 471 as of yesterday
LH/FSH still low at 0.1 and >0.2 respectively (I believe due to HCG use)
Would experienced users recommend another PCT to follow the HCG blast?
Or should I just ride it out with no additional PCT??
LH/FSH values were extremely low, 0.1 and 0.3 respectively. HCG blast then possibly another PCT
I would do everything in my power to bring your natural production back, before going down the dreaded trt route. I would do just about anything not to be in trt.
To me TRT doesn't sound all that bad, but I will STRONGLY listen to the overwhelming advice and do ANYTHING I can to come back online naturally. Thanks brother!
It doesn't sound bad, but it sucks. Been on it almost four years and it's a complete drag. You're a slave to the pin and it gets old so fast. You have to plan everything around it. Scar tissues build up. Also, your body runs better naturally. Shutting down all natural production also shuts down other things as well.
It's not a constant cycle, with all these wonderful benefits. Natural production is 100 times better and I would do everything to keep that as long as you can.
Heard brother. I'm doing everything possible.
Thanks.
Excellent. Give it your best and see where you land. Going on trt is better than no test at all, but it's not glamorous or something to shoot for. That's my point. Best of luck.
Gotcha. Thank you!
Bro . It depends on what was your cycle and how long ?
Primo or test or another things except deca , npp or anyone of tren Will be a bit slower recover , did you do any blood test for e2 or prolactin .if you used what I mentioned above .
muscle-italiawhat are your values of estradiol and prolactin? size of the testicles? if the values of estradiol and prolactin are ok, and testicular size is ok, most likely is a pituitary problem...so you would like to repeat a cycle of clomid and nolva to try to restart it
300 SavageListen crank that hcg up to 5000 per week..you will recover fine..You might get a slight headache..but your nuts will be hanging..Im 45 did a few 20 week cycles of primo..recovery was a breeze with 5000 hcg per week.
are you saying 5000 while on cycle? Or the blast before PCT? How long should I run 5000 iu??
300 SavageEnding cycle..My 1st pin will be 5000..in one fast 5000 dose.Really kick starts it fast..then I will run another 10,000 in the next 2 weeks..Your test will be much better and nuts will be hanging ready to go..I have done this a few times..and so have a few of my friends worked for all of us..
FYI, the more I think about this, it just doesn't make sense that my levels would be that low. I think the results may be inaccurate. If my levels were 79.6, wouldn't I feel like shit? And I don't. I actually feel great.
I had another level check today from a different lab and hope to have results tomorrow.
I will post new results.
Maybe a silly question, but is your test measured in nmol/l, or ng/dl? 79 nmol/l = roughly 1154 ng/dl which of course would be a high normal reading. Maybe there is no issue?
Unfortunately it's ng/dl. I think it may be inaccurate though. I retested today and will get results hopefully tomorrow.
Hopefully you tested your LH and FSH also. That way if your T level is still low you will know if the problem lies in the feedback loop or if your nuts are getting the signal but just not producing T.
Yes I did.
What would be the difference in how to approach each problem?
You are either dealing with primary or secondary hypogonadism
If your LH/FSH are normal you have primary and are pretty much screwed. No point in running another PCT because you have already rebooted your system but your nuts just aren't producing test anymore. See your doctor about TRT.
With secondary, you still have a chance to reboot the signal and see what happens so I would run another PCT and see if you can get things fired back up again.
Thanks brother! I will post the results once I get them. I'm hoping it's a feedback issue, but at worst I'll just be on TRT, and that can't be all that bad right? I won't have to worry about PCT and coming off ever again... Won't be able to have anymore kids, which doesn't bother me that much....
Any other down sides for TRT and blast and cruise??
TRT sucks. It still doesn't feel the same as when you were producing test naturally and having to pin for the rest of your life just to feel somewhat normal gets old real fast. I would take natural levels and doing PCT any day over TRT.
Are you on TRT?
Have been for a few years now.
I'm sure we all will be eventually.... I'm keeping my fingers crossed my LH/FSH values are low...
Thanks brother.
Me too, I'm just trying to look on the bright side and not raise my cortisol levels too much worrying about it while I wait for the results. Haha.
Rgr, worth a shot since you say you feel great. Hopefully it is innacurate and you dont have to go through more pct.
Agreed. Worst case, run some HCG and hopefully get back to normal.
20 week cycle? Lol. Good luck with that recovery at 38. where did you get the idea that a 5 month cycle was a good idea?
It was Primo, and the research I've done has all said longer cycles are best. Maybe just not for me...
Lol. I've never read about kickass recovery from a 5 month cycle especially at 38. Where is this research found?
Given that you were running long esters you probably didn't count the post pin/pre-pct time as on time either right? So you are looking at 6 months of shutdown nuts. That's too damn long.
But what do I know. I'm just a 39 year old bro with 800+ Natty test levels.
Amazing natty test levels brother! Yeah, it was a long cycle. Won't run any more than 10-12 in the future. Gotta get my natty levels back first though.
It might be doable with time. I for damn sure wouldn't give up on them without a fight.
Agreed. I won't give up until I've exhausted every method.
What were your FSH and LH levels?
Stupidly, I didn't test those.... Should I test them now?
Yes. That will tell you how you HPTA is functioning. I think you may have some bunk PCT. How long after PCT did you take those bloods? If it was shortly after you still should have jacked up levels just from the clomid alone.
It was all pharma grade.
Pharma NOLVA with the proper printing from a reliable source, and BioLab Clomid from Thailand. I know they are both legit. HCG was also from a reliable source. And I was hanging full and low... That's why I didn't bother testing LH FSH. I thought I was good.
Just because a "reliable" source sold it to you does not mean it was gtg. Pharma grade PCT comes from a doctor or a well known name brand, not a source. There has been plenty of posts of bunk pct coming from sources. Try a different brand from more research or if you can get actual prescription strength. You need to verify the pct before you think you are doomed. Do another one and after 2 weeks get bloods drawn again to see where you are at.
The Nolva was brand name... The Clomid was BioLab. Pills he proper stamping and marking. I'm thinking the level may not be accurate. I just had another level check today from a different lab and am waiting the results. The reason I think it may be inaccurate is caus I actually feel really good. I would assume at 79.6 I would feel like shit, and I definitely don't.
Its not so much they are bunk, but underdosing could be an issue as well. Thats why its important to get new bloods and alter your medication.
Got new bloods done today, hope fully have he results tomorrow and then I'll make a decision on what to do. If the levels are in fact that low, I'll follow what Richard Simmons said above. Thanks for your help.
If anything, maybe the BioLab Clomid were underdosed.
I also have Klomen, which I know are gtg. Had a friend use them. Maybe I should have used the Klomen.
Ok. Thanks.
I would do another full pct after an HCG blast. The HCG blast is your call for length and dose, but at the least 1000iu eod for 10 days...possibly even 21 days as Dick Simmons suggested below. Then another standard clomid/nolva pct. If after this point you have not recovered. Go see doc and discuss trt. Just my .02 and how I would deal if it were me.
Thank you!
Richard.SimmonsAnti-Estrogen that is know to raise test levels would be my choice. Not with clomid and novadex I would use something that can actualy get intothe lipids and shut down aromatization and something that is proven to increase test output. hcg - 1,000 iu eod for 21 days. If you do try clomid daily .52 for 21 days Thats it, should give you a kick start and get you going as well as help with reeceptor sites. You also may have to go see the Doc about trt
So your first choice would be HCG 1000iu EOD for 21 days??
ZandaDepends what compounds you ran and for how long. Deca, Tren, etc can shut you down hard for a long time. Pharma PCT and HCG? I only trust pharma pct so there is no doubt.
Your about my age so it's possible your trt bound...BUT...Did you discuss your lab test levels with your doctor? Only he can prescribe you trt properly and may offer other suggestions. There are many factors that go into natural test production. Don't listen to bro-science consult a physician. This is your manhood we are talking about. My .02