posted Sun, 08/05/2012 - 18:18
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lean bulk cycle help
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goal:gain 12-15 pounds of lean muscle.
age:23
3rd cycle
5"9 171 lbs 11% bodyfat
test p 300 mg week 1-4
test e 600mg a week 1-15
equipoise 600mg a week 1-14
tbol week 60mg week 1-6
aramidex eod .25mg
suggestions would be greatly appreciated thanks guys
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i would go with tbol or prop as kick start and not both. tbol is rough on the liver so prop would be the better option. with eq at 600mg you may want to lower the test to 300 or 400mg. your rbcs will be sky high with those doses.
I don't see this as a lean bulk cycle. First test c and dbol= major water retention. Also running winstrol for 4 weeks will just lean you out a little from all that test. I would run test e at 400mg or sustanon(less water retention),instead of dbol go to tbol for 6 weeks. Tbol has way less water retention and promotes lean muscle mass. Then add winstrol injectable version. So not to put to much stress on your liver.
thanks chief, i was thinking of using test prop week 1-4 as a kicker also..
my only worry about this cycle is the acne problems i experience from test and other orals...
test p 300mg week 1-4
test e 300mg week 1-15,600mg week 1-15
equipoise 600mg week 1-14
maybe anavar week 8-15
aramidex .5 everyother day
I keep my test at no more than 400mg/w due to not just acne and water retention but I turn into the biggest prick on the face of the earth.LOL. Dropping the dbol IMO is a smart move but I really feel for your goals tbol will help tremendously. Also instead of adding the test prop at the beginning run it at the end to make a smoother transition to pct.Here's my opinion
test e 400mg/w 1-14
eq 600mg/w 1-14
tbol 50-75mg/day week 1-6
test p 300mg/w 14-17
arimadex.5mg eod
I have done this exact cycle many times. Putting on 15 lbs. should not be a problem. Your pct and diet afterwards will help you keep your gains.
I just read the whole thread and noticed you have made 33lb gain from 3 cycles... that means you weighed 138lb when you started cycle 1 right!
How many grams of protein do you intake daily on/off cycle! Also what is your daily calorie intake again on/off cycle... this will help answer my weight issue.
What type of liver support do you run on/off cycle and what are your proposed plans regarding liver support if you choose to run 2 17aa compounds on this proposed cycle...this will help to answer my health issue.
Also with your history with your joints IMHO refrain from running winstrol and if you must... use anavar.
yes i was very skinny ...thats why i started using test and other compounds.
protein intake off cycle 200-250grams ...on cycle 250-300grams
calorie intake off cycle 2600-3200..on cycle 4000 cal
i also used liv52 while on cycle...
my diet is maybe 90% clean..i have a cheat day every now and then.
bottom line, what do you recommend to someone like me?
For optimal daily protein intake at your current body weight of 171 pound working on the 2.2 grams pr pound theory you would be looking at 2.2x171=376.2 grams imo both on/off cycle... also you say you hit 4000 cals ON then back off to around 3000 my question here is WHY!... you need to keep the cal intake up off cycle to maintain your gains... i also reckon if you tried this you would proceed to gain whilst off cycle... try it out bro see if you can prove me wrong!
Also add some milk thistle as well as your liv 52 and take morn/eve for added safety... i take liver support year round it does no harm to be ultra safe in this respect.
Also if you use the 2.2gram principle you will have to constantly adjust as your weight raises... may sound a little daunting at this stage but try it out and after a whule you will be able to monitor your protein needs like an expert... this is an important learning curve imo morso than learning about compounds because we can all pin mega stacks of exotic juices but if we dont get the nutrition balance right we are all heading for FAILURE.COM lol ok bro so instead of having 2 masturbation sessions tonight do some protein intake homework instead lmao! .... good luck man.
thanks bro..
You are welcome.
Don't like double dipping 17aa's. Adex is .25 eod.. Winny can run 4Weeks....til 2days before pct
quick question brother, never used winny before but i have heard that it kills your joints...and i had a torn acl last year, im a little worried about experiencing joint pain. would you recommend it or should i forget about it?
Ouch! Ya....Winny May dry out the joints. Masteron is a great finisher is bf is below 10%. Or for oral....var is bf is low as well. Going for lean gains....just not liking the dbol kicker imo.
oh so maybe tbol 1-6 week
or just remove the orals all together?
btw,i was thinking of running a low dose of accutane 2 or 3 times a week since i am very prone to acne while in cycle.
tread-mAccutane will not work that way brother. Given you are prone to acne and will likely continue to cycle you have to get accutane out of your thinking. Its hell on the body and organs and realistically should not be ran more than twice in your life, if that, so its just not the solution. Your best bet is to look for remedies but most importantly follow your bloods doing them a little more frequent watching your estro. Find the best balance you can in estro via your AI use and that will likely serve you very well over time once you learn yourself in that way. When estro is in flucuation so are many other things and you are just much more prone to breakouts. Balance in your compounds all arou nd helps as well. Such as a good split on your test to find less flucuation. Flucuation in test will prompt flucuation in estro. Good example is I've seen people, including myself, who will have serious breakouts with prop eod and switch to ed with proper AI use for the idividual and the balance in all areas minimizes the acne. Acne is just the balance issue in hormone usually and many can overcome it, not all but many. Irish put it well, "Accutane is some nasty shit".
true,will keep that in mind, thanks bro
I haven't ran tbol yet. Prop was much simpler for me. Tbol does go for 6Weeks though. It's slower on the kick but dry/solid per others reviews. Test/eq is a great run. Slow and solid but if you eat right and pct correct the gains are typically kept. Nothing is wrong with just a simple test/eq run. Some just get antsy for faster gains. Week 5ish the test kicks in and week 8 the eq goes on. Typically eq goes 16 & test 18 on this type to get all the gains. I love eq. Downside is long runs.