Lean Bulk and need some advice
Hi gents,
I am a new user to eroids but I have been on here for months doing my research. I have done 2 mild cycles. First one was just to preserve muscle while injured running Test E, and EQ. Did not see much of anything here. Second cycle was Test E and Deca E, followed up by Test prop and Tren Ace. I did see some results but not the maximized ones I was looking for that where achievable do to poor dieting and ending it early unexpectedly.
What I am looking for now is a lean bulk, I have really adjusted my diet and watching Cals and Carbs now. I am looking to do a 180 I guess, I want to put on lean muscle and really tone back on the BF. My second cycle and poor dieting put me about 25 lbs heaver but really only 5lbs of muscle I would say.
Me:
Age - 21
Height and Weight :5'6" now 195(looking to get to a sheared 175-180)
Stats in the gym are solid
Key bodyparts to work on are my Lats are very week, and my Bi-ceps do not have the peak I am looking for.
My goal is to get together a 4-5 month cycle where I will do a Leaning Bulk and try to put on solid quality muscle.
I am thinking about running - 2 different cycles, one or the other,
Cycle 1 : Dianabol, Test E, Deca, Tren and EQ
or
Cycle 2: Mast Tren Prop Sustanon and EQ
I would really like some advice if these are fucking terrible tell me why and please my a suggestion
Questions I have:
I got my first gear from a local, who is the most reliable to order from, I do like *(censored) and ***(censored)** but any suggestions would be greatly appreciated?
Can someone give me some more info on On-cycle and Post Cycle support, I have done the basics?
If anyone wants to have some fun and post a cycle feel free, I have read alot of posts and the users seem to be as helpful as they come.
Let me know. Thanks,
-Tren
EDIT:
So you guys wanted to see my routine and what not. I do High Intensity Pyramid Training when not bulking this allows we me keep my muscle and cut.
6-8 reps
10-12 reps
or 15-20 reps
depending on that day I will cycle the rep count sooo one day it will be chest 6-8 and 2 chest days later its 15-20.
Yes guys my blood work is fine I have had it checked twice now. So don't worry and no Urogenital System issues either.
Diet could be better but I think its "okay" but I am not getting the cutts and stuff like so many others that do. I feel like I should be dropping like crazy specially since I am coming to an end of T3 and Abutral
Diet is:
Wake up: Coffee, 3 eggs with some veggies / half a bagel - 25 carbs 18 protien
11am: 40oz of some meat (chicken hamberger) - 40 protien
1pm: Cobb salad - meat on a salad typically - 20 protien 10carbs*(estimated)
3pm: Bananna 40carbs
5pm: Workout
6pm: Isolate Protien Shake
6:30pm: Dinner - 40 protein 10 carbs
9:00: Casin shake
I drink only water, no soda and the only sugar that comes in to my system is my coffee creamer, and sauce s like dressing and bbq.
I take my multi and fish oil even take CLA for the extra omegas and still no what I am looking for.
By the way I really appreciate all the help.
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These guys at the bottom of the page have hit right on. Eat big, when I started I AAS I was not used to these types of calories with exception of when I had a track meet at the end of the season. Eat till you think you'll puke then eat some more. If you feel like your going to pop and you know it's not enough calories then TRAIN HARD. I've been in plenty of the university gyms with younger guys who "think" they are training hard. It's a joke. You have to train hard but more important train smart.
If the training regimen is right and your foods are right, and your eating enough then you'll see results naturally.
Your too young to do AAS. Not to be mean but you have years before compounds should enter your routine. Want to shred, run laps and stadiums
I really appreciate everyones advise and I am willing to do what it takes, I was bouncing around and doing alot of reading this week and reading like diets for plans, Does anyone think but rice and oatmeal are bad carbs that will only get stored?
ur diet is off bro, bad cycle, high bf%, dangerous compounds. not to be mean but try and achieve a good looking body with low bf and some what of a natty mass gain. either one of those cycles will send to the doctor for trt or gyno/limp dick and i wouldnt recommend them even if u were ready.. drugs only come into play if u got the diet and training dialed in. if ur not getting good results natty, u ll not get good results on roids. why are u bulking at such a high bf? what did u run for pct ur first cycle? research my brother, u shouldnt be doing drugs right now
Okay but when should I, and why is it theres a thousand users my age that are, are they just as stupid as me? I understand you can fuck your body up hard from drugs but when is it ok to. I ran letro and novadex no hcg because it was a mild mild cycle.
Welcome back bro...... sweet advise too............ +3
Why all these drugs at 21 ... i see steroids,T3, Albuterol... why?
What about good old fashioned hard graft!.... looking at your pics you need to hit the gym 6 days pr wk and rip the joint to peices... train until you cant walk bro..... you get NO compound advise from me bro your age and condition is all about WORK ETHIC!......... go get some.
I respect that VIKING, this all started when I had my back surgery, and I didn't want to lose the mass I had worked so hard for. After that cycle which was just test and eq I say a recovery rate that was crazy I came back hard. My diet sucked just because of living at school and I was forced to eat processed shit. Now I am back at it eating better and what not but you will always have that struggle of getting those meals. I have a photo I will upload that is when I was dieting and getting cut but I always had residual fat on me. So thats why I started looking in to alternatives.
that a birds diet bro!!! damnit! when will people learn! eat big!! that entire diet wouldn't even make my breakfast bro, its not a joke about eating, big means huge!!!
Okay but do you think it should be an increase in protein? I'm trying to really lean out here.
yes, higher protein with lower carbs for your physique!!!
Darron614Just run Test E with an AI (I'd say Aromasin). 500 mg a week and 12.5 mg ED respectively.
If you are lifting hard there is no way that you shouldn't have great results.
Darron614Actually I just looked at your pictures/stats... You need to start doing a lot more cardio (maybe fix diet too?) and get your body fat percentage down. Once you're 10% maybe 12% BF then worry about trying to do a lean bulk.
I don't mean that in a negative way either, just my sincere advice. Good luck bro!
dude don't even worry about it I'd rather have good advice, I use to be at 140 cutting from 180 and then I just bulked bulked bulked
Thanks guys, I put a edit section in my original post.
Too many compounds for a 3rd cycle. Post your diet and workout routine so we can see if there is a problem there.
Im out.
Cycle 3: clean food and count your macros. Theres no excuse for putting that much fat on in your cycle so teach your self to eat big on clean foods and count your calories. from cycle 1 you were not ready and the gains proved this
That's a long cycle too for your age, I would say cut it in half
no, no, no, and no!!! your next cycle is a trip to the doctors!!!! 21 bro??? you've already hit the tren, first things first, get blood tests, fix your body, because you've likely damaged it, get your results, post them on here and let some of the experts help you get sorted!!!