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Age:29 in a little over a month
Height: 6'
Weight:194
BF: 14-15%
Previoius Cycles
Test E
Test E & Dbol
Test E & Drol
Sust, Tren A, Winny
Currently my diet has been a dirty bulk I've put on about 6 lbs in the past couple months. Now that it is hopefully spring I will be increasing my cardio, ala a big ass hill in my development, to get my BF down, while starting to taper my carbs through the day. My training is going good. Strength is coming back, and so isn't some muscle memory. The problems I had with my previous cycles were a sub par PCT and not keeping a maintenance diet and training regimen. Mistakes I won't make again.
I look to start my next cycle around the first of April. I was considering a Test, Provi, and Mast run, but since I haven't taken either Provi or I will just introduce Provi first.
1-12 Test E @ 500mg/week
1-12 Provi @ 50mg ed split
A/I's on hand
PCT 14 days after last pin
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
I hope to gain at least 10 lb quality sustainable mass after this cycle in complete. With the Provi I am hoping to achieve a round hard look to my muscles. I am really excited to see how it increases my free test, and the sense of well being. I hope to include Provi in all my cycles.
I do have a question about A/I's. In the past I have not had much estrogen related sides. The only time I noticed any was when I was taking the Sust 350 at 700mg a week, but Aromasin kept it in check. I am concerned will possible estro rebound do to the Provi. I have stane, and Adex so should I follow normal dosing around week 4 or use if symptoms arise? I don't want to crash my E2 either. I will be getting bloods around week 5 or 6 to help with this.
One other question I have not front loaded my test in previous cycles, and I know that there are mixed reviews about it, so would it be worth it to run 1,000mg my first week?
If I have learned one thing during my short time here it's Keep It Simple Stupid.
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Sensible cycle but diet will command the gains...... dont forget the juice is only for synthesis.
BIG nutrition = big gains.
Crap nutrition = FAILURE.
Yes I now realize how important diet is. I kick myself everyday because I didn't diet right in the past. I just think about what could have been, but that's in the past. Now I know better.
Just watch the effect of the proviron on your libido. A couple of weeks at 50mg ed and anything in a dress looks worth a pop to me ;)
If you're confident on spotting estro sides early, AI on hand if needs be. If not, don't take the risk and run low dose with bloods taken etc.
LOL, yea I'm sure I'll be bugging the old lady to death, I know what I'm like on Test alone, probably have to invite Palmala and her five sisters over more often...... haha
you answered your own question bro- k.i.s.s- don't worry about the front load.
lol, true. Maybe I should have said KISSish... lol
lol, you can do it if you like, but that's if your in a rush?
No rush, just curious to see if I notice a difference in how soon I feel it hit.
RustyhookerProvi up to pct.. Test is still high as it tapers. Keep that bang going.
Blood test is easiest way to know estro but yes....on hand and as/if needed.
Alright thanks for the info, never thought about that.
I think you will like using the provi. I have used it on cycle before and I am now using with my Dr. prescribed trt dose and wow it really does make a difference. Especially on my trt dose. Good addition to any cycle. Provi is not a strong enough AI to worry about rebound if you stop taking it so I wouldn't worry about that. Use your regular AI protocol to control E2 while on cycle. The addition of provi is not going to crash your estrogen. With your bloodwork you should be all set with dialing in your AI.
You already have a few cycles under your belt so frontloading may be a good option to try to compare to the results you had on your non-frontloaded cycles.
+1 for a sane and well thought out cycle
Thanks for the advice. I'm excited to see what Provi is all about. I think I will front load this time. What do you think is the most efficient way of doing? Two 500mg does? I read something about doing 750 the first shot and the regular 250 for the next. The guy was trying to achieve levels quicker with the timing of the ester. and thanks for the +1.
Instead of the front load why not a Test P Kicker?
To be honest I didn't think about it, and unfortunately I don't have any. I was working with what I got. If the front load isn't worth it then I won't do it. Just curious as I have never done it before.
It's a lot easier to screw up a front load then it is using a kicker. If you're nervous or unsure my advice would be to just run a straight cycle.
Your diet will make a lot more of a difference than any frontload or kicker anyway. So work with what you got.
However, If you are going to try a frontload here is my suggestion. Your normal cycle is going to be 500 mg per week. You should be doing biweekly injections so that's 250 mg twice a week. Here's how I would frontload. Run 250 mg EOD for the first two weeks. Third week 250mg E3D and then just settle into your regular cycle.
The thought process behind doing this........... is that most of your negative (and positive) side effects are typically dose-dependent. This will keep your single dose small while still being able to frontload.
Hope I didn't adequate job of explaining the concept. If you have any questions just ask.
Pinning frequency is almost the same here as using a test p kicker. If going this route it seems like it might be more logical to just do a test p kicker. If one has bad pip with test p though, like me, this might be a good way to go about it using a long ester instead.
Can you say Phenylpropionate.
That is what I use for my short ester test now. Can't believe the difference adding that phenyl group makes, pins unbelievably smooth. I wish more sources would carry it.
I've heard good things about it. I've not ran a short ester test yet, but when I do I'll probably use phenyl. One of my sources carries it, but is a hot item.
I would only use it as a kicker. I wouldn't run it on its own unless I was matching esters. Really no benefit to running it on its own for a standard 12 week cycle.
Makes sense. Dosing 1g in a more stable way instead of hitting the body with it all at once. Then correct me if I'm wrong the 3rd week is essentially a taper into the normal dose instead of a sudden drop?
There wouldn't be a sudden drop due to the fact that Test E has a 6 to 7 day half-life but you are correct you would essentially be dropping into your normal dose at that point EXCEPT your peak plasma levels would be higher than without the frontload by week 3.
Gotcha, very interesting, more than one way to skin a cat. That's what I love about this place.
using the roidcalc.com several years back I put together a frontload, and then later found a couple frontload posts that where identical on another site. But the most stable levels I could come up with and have used it with good success is to double weekly dose 1 day then start cycle next day.
So on a 500mg/w cycle its
1000mg/mon
250mg/tue
250mg/fri
just another way to do it
I like this approach also, a one and done you could say. Did you notice any estrogen related sides any sooner or more pronounced then normal with this approach?
every front load ive done has been like this and I havent experienced any sides. there was several guys that tried this frontload a few years back and none had any sides mentioned..
I appreciate you sharing that. The problem is that 1000 milligram single injection is going to have a bigger impact on his E2..........if for example it was a DHT derivative I say go for it but anything that will convert into estrogen I would tiptoe.
That's why I prefer a kicker over a frontload if a short acting version Is available.
Just my two cents.
it makes sense to me, hasnt been a problem with anyone that ive known to use it. Actually cant say ive ever read someone have E2 problems with a frontload. but not a big deal really just run an AI with it or have it ready.
I would just double up each of your shots for the first week if you are still interested in frontloading. 500mg each shot. You may also need to start your AI a little sooner with frontloading, so just be aware of that.
Ok, I haven't decided yet, but I figured estro sides would come on quicker as well.