posted Thu, 08/01/2013 - 07:21
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how would YOU run these compounds?
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I dont want u guys thinkin this is some noob post of 'how do I run these things!?'
Of the laid out compounds i wanna see the personal preference in full of how diff people would use the same compounds
i always believed the old 'test twice the tren' guideline but it seems alot of people r doing the opposite lately
compounds given:
Aromasin
Pramipexole
Test Enan 250
Tren Enan 250
Equipoise 300
HCG 2,000iu/vial
how would u guys build YOUR cycle based off ur preference?
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AnonIn the past I've used tren e at 600mg per week with 250mg per week of test e I dropped about 23lbs and my arms blew up (in a good way) lol I'm getting ready to do a test e tren e run after I finish my deca run. Good luck bro and good post!
thanks for all the fast and detailed responses guys
would u guys wait until week 4 to start the hog?
Oh and by the way dude, between the cycle vewi and I recommended - I'd go with vewi's first. The 500 test and 750 tren is an excellent ratio test:tren. If half way in you got crappy sides, you can lower test to 250 and/or tren to 500mg. If mid cycle you are feeling a bit nutty like me and have zero sides, you can try raising the test to 750 and possibly the tren to 1g. But like I said, start lower and make adjustments as you go on. Tren is all about knowing your body and knowing what to increase/decrease add or remove during your cycle.
NO brother .... day one kick off for all the long esters in this stack.
You have a good post going on here bro.... youve drawn all the right guys for this type of run..... enjoy
VewiX2
Also something that was not brought up is you can always Frontload the EQ and the Test E the first week also. Just another food for thought.
Aromasin - id throw that in the trash because that's what it is. replace with adex 0.25mg eod/ed
Pramipexole - 0.25mg every night
Test Enan 250 - 3ml per week (750mg) for 25 weeks
Tren Enan 250 - 3-4ml per week (750-1g) for 25 weeks
Equipoise 300 - 3-4ml per week (900-1200mg) for 24 weeks
HCG 2,000iu/vial - 500iu 2x a week 4 on 4 off
reason for this? Eq is best at 24 weeks I just finished a 25 week eq cycle and it was amazing. By far better than 16 weeks
test slightly lower than tren but still at 750-1g thats my comfort zone with no sides
tren 750-1g as much as you can handle without getting sides. tren doesn't give me bad sides at all I sleep and eat good on it
eq higher dose is best with eq. make sure to watch BP
hcg 4 weeks on 4 off. works best that way in my opinion
I like that... i would run that stack happily..... no HCG for me, i would have some caber in the drawer just in case lol but probably wouldnt touch it due to it making me feel like warmed up shit.
This test/tren/EQ stack is becoming a modern classic... good quality long lasting gains with plenty of striations and veins on show throughout the cycle and for weeks after..... good stack
Yeah well this stack is based on the one you gave me a few months ago. I ran it and ended at these dosages. Was my favorite cycle to date. Gains were amazing. It was a total recomp though. Started at 205 ended at 220. Bodyfat went from about 15% to as low as 10% in the middle but I finished strong bulking and ended finally around 11-12%. I'm happy though because it was the biggest change my body has made since my first cycle. For the first time in my life I'm considered "big". I've had more comments and compliments on this cycle than all my other ones combined. I've also been accused of steroids by about 10 people, haha they are haters!! Haters gonna hate fuck em. My vascularity and hardness has come to a whole new level which I never really had before since all my previous cycles with test/dbol or test/deca bulk cycle so this tren cycle was a good one. I did use anadrol 2on 2 off for a while, and at the end I used anavar and that made a nice difference in my overall look giving a more pleasing sculpture like physique. The worst sides I had from this cycle was heartburn from tren when I got in the 1300mg per week range. Silly me no need to go past 750-1g yet. Maybe in a later cycle. But yeah I appreciate your help 4-5 months ago because that's how I ended up running this fantastic cycle.
EXCELLANT BRO!.... i love when someone gets massive results and next to zero sides from my stuff... i see you got the drol trick in there as well... fantastic brother,... this is the cycle maybe with a few tweaks that i want nitti to run on his upcoming bulker..... this must work for him even though he is the ultimate ectomorph if he gets the cals in... clean or not it dont really matter with that surge of tren and the equi turning the whole body into a fat burning furness..... he must result or im fkn retiring from stack planning lmfaoooooooo
Yeah I know nitti and I have a similar metabolism. You'd shit your pants if you saw the food I eat and how lean I stay! But yea fat burning furnace that's what the eq and tren does!! I am a non stop constantly sweating I have to sleep on a towel, take 3 showers a day, and go through 3-4 towels at the gym during an average workout. No joke I sweat a LOT. I'm sure you will set nitti up good, maybe a little dbol and npp might help who knows
I did mention to him and he did agree to a SUPERDROL kicker...... even big 240/250lbs units can only ramp upto 30/40mg pr day its that strong and has the potential to add one pound pr day in body weight.... some rubbish water i know but thats what a heavy duty kicker is all about...... in nittis condition pure raw mass is what we need at this stage... he has the best foundation to build from being so low on BF the hardest part for him mentally will be having to watch the smoothing out process.... that fucks a lot of guys heads up and they hop off the mass train ... my job with nitti here will be trying to re-train his thoughts and just let the mass building process roll and not get frustrated when he looks in the mirror and doesnt see his usual shape and cuts..... hopefully he will thank me in the end when the mirror shows denser muscle bellies and even deeper cuts with a body weight increase in the 10/12% range.
i was reading alot about superdrol and 20mg a day sounded tempting but i found every thing on this site but that. really harsh on liver I heard to?
Ultra hard on the liver bro you gotta know your shit were liver protection is concerned for sure.
A typical superdrol cycle (kicker) would be something like this...... even for me @nearly 240lbs this will be hard to handle.
WK 1 - 10MG PR DAY
WK 2 - 20MG PR DAY
WK 3 - 30MG PR DAY
WK 4 - 40MG PR DAY
The 40mg may be unreachable if jaundice symptoms start to show so i would stick at 30mg for the fourth week also.
Let me be clear... i would not recommend it for beginners who do not know how to listen to their bodies.... blood tests needed before and after usage due to this stuff really fucking with the liver values.
VewiHow i run Superdrol
Milk Thistle
1000mg Milk Thistle
1200mg RYR
60mg CoQ10
5g Taurine
20mg Superdrol, split doses
do u break the supps/support up through the day or all at once like listed?
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Vewito be fucking 12 again. lmao..
VewiAlmost the same but I like Aromasin.
but everyone is different--I like breaking tren E in 10 week intervals
1-24 Test E @ 500mg a week
1-10 Tren E @ 750mg a week
1-24 EQ @ 800mg a week (ive done more than 800 but for me its to much for by BH when I add extra stuff, so 800 is my zone)
15-24 Tren E @ 750mg a week
HCG 2,000iu/vial - 500iu 2x a week 4 on 4 off
However, over time you find out what is best for you we are all different from the use of Adex or Aromasin, to how much one person can do on tren to how much one person can do on EQ or Deca etc.
There is always a base to start from, start slow there is plenty of time to start adding more.
Also... very true comments we cannot expect a new guy to be running upto and over 3 gram stacks without previous compound usage and many successful cycles under his belt.
True true. I believe in using what works best for YOUR body, whether it be adex, letrozole, aromasin or simply proviron.
Why do you like taking a short break from tren? Is it to control sides?
500/750 is also a nice test/tren ratio. Personally I like keeping test high, it makes me feel better. It gives that mental edge, increased libido, strong appetite, feeling like a god in the gym, improved recovery, and a nice fullness. Low test isn't as good for me personally. But then again the only sides I get from tren is sweating. The EQ completely helps regain my ability to do plenty of cardio on tren.
I noticed EQ after 1g and the thickness increases as well as slightly improved vascularity.
It's funny my sides from 750mg tren to 1g are pretty much the same - more sweating but that's about it. But the gains were WAY more in my experience so yeah I guess everyone is different. At 500mg tren I can barely even tell there is tren in my system
VewiYes for me 10 weeks with Tren, is about what my body likes when I go over that my sleep habits go to crap which I do not like, and My anger goes through the roof. So I keep it at 10 weeks.
I agree love EQ when doing tren for that reason that I can do cardio with no problem..
Yeah I would love to do EQ at 1200mg but it just doesn't work for me..
O also when im on that cycle to add this in I would (but I always do on any cycle) is take one baby aspirin a day, I usually do it at night.
tren sides never hit me hard besides aggression and some night sweats.
if i were to stay on instead of a break, how long would you go? 12-14 weeks total?
also what dose for the aromasin do u like?
Vewidepends on you 12 or 14 is fine. Just be carful cause with Tren E you get sides, its 15 days before they start to go away.
Aromasin 6.25mg ED or 12.5mg EOD.. I like 6.25mg ED because it keeps bloods more level.
Bro I am curious about something though, why do we run HCG on cycle? Isn't that like a reverse effect on the body? Every time we pin test it shuts our natural test production and we are trying to use hcg all the time to start it again?? Wundt hcg be a better PCT candidate than on cycle?
VewiWhen on a havy cycle(really any cycle), your Testis will start to shrink. Being on HCG will keep your testis at their normal level and producing LH even though you body is not using it. So when you get of cycle, your testis already roughly 100% ready to work.. Instead of having to bring them back from 0% or having to do an HCG boost. for 10 days. Which would kick start them to lets say 50--75% but being on HCG through the cycle and up through the first week of your PCT will keep them closer to that 100% by the time you start PCT...
Also remember when your on HCG after your cycle leading up to your PCT make sure you are still taking your AI.. because HCG does convert to estro
Thank you bro! Great stuff!! That's what I love bro to learn about it you know instead of using it. I may get some hcg and start using it with the tren I wud run in a couple of weeks! Awesome bro thanks for that;)
Vewianytime brother always here to help..
Good advice +2
yea I'm aware of the aspirin trick. I was using fish oil too but that gives me heartburn so I stick with aspirin. I think I can handle the high eq now because of my young age, but in the future I'll probably keep it at 600-900 due to the effects on hematocrit, rbc, BP etc
You seem to be pretty sensitive to the tren, but at least you know it's working =) I honestly don't get the anger sides or anything but I'm extremely good at controlling my temper and emotions.
SwolePatrole7Test at 250 week, eq at 600-800 week, tren e at 500, dono about prami i use caber at .25mg every 3rd day. Aromasin at 6.25mg ED and i wouldnt even bother with HCG personally.
would you bother splitting the test into .5cc 2x a week or just hit one cc a week?
stats? I'm not just going to go into cycle details without at least knowing your stats?
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Cycling since 20, healthy blood work all levels in range
Lookin to recomp, carb cycling to drop fat, build mass