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How much and how often???

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I'm going to be doing a cycle of the following:

Nandrolone Deca - 100mg/mL
Test Prop - 100mg/mL
Mast P - 300mg/ml (I'm assuming they're sending me P - it did not specify on the website. Please advise how often i should pin E as well just in case.)

Gonna be taking Caber and Aromasin throughout the cycle, and PCT with Nolv and Clomid.

Age: 27
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 220
BF: Unkown Maybe 15-20.

How often should I pin these and how much? Can i combine some of them into the same syringe or do i have to pin separately?

Thanks for all of your help for this newbie!!!!

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Hahahahaha..... massive thread full of superb advice and the OP never came back... even fkn once!

bigandlean's picture

been here all along d-bag. Just haven't seen the need to respond to the back and forth between everyone. Every person has their on opinions when it comes to gear and pct. I've decided to put this stuff on the shelf for now, and order some sust and winny. simple easy stack. Had zero sides from the prop and anavar I used before so i'm confident my sides will be minimal, but i will have AI's on hand and already have clomid and nolv on it's way for pct. Thanks to everyone else for their help!

Catalyst's picture

Maybe referring to one if ours mods as "d bag" isn't the smartest move to make when you've just joined?

bigandlean's picture

I'm just calling it like I see it. If he had bothered to read down the page he would have seen that I have been actively posting in this thread. Instead he just decided to be a D-BAG!!!

Doss's picture

That kinda shit earned you a couple neg's. one things for sure, respect goes a long way, and this isn't how you earn it brutha

bigandlean's picture

Sorry man. Respect is earned, and I give back what is being given to me. You, I respect. A lot of others on here I do not.

Doss's picture

I feel you bro... Admin team works hard to make sure this site stays up and running and that ourselves are kept safe while on it. Vike paid his dues 20 x over. Although he's a geezer (just fucking with ya vike), he puts 99% of Eroids to shame. When it comes to the fundamentals of dieting and training, he knows his shit for real. Compounds and stacks also, but that's not what you need right now. So, the man deserves his respect. Don't be surprised when people get defensive for that remark you made towards him, or if you wind up on a temporary ban.

strongman480's picture

hold up there. viking is the go to guy for diet, training, and cycle advice. he may come off as an asshole sometimes, but he only speaks the truth. you have been given great advice and you just flat out wont take it. I gave you the link to the beginner cycle forum and you still will not listen. do you know the sides common with winny? do you know if you will need to raise or lower your A.I. while taking winny? NO you don't. we are trying to get you on the right path and you refuse.

bigandlean's picture

Actually, I have taken everyone's advice to put the original stuff on the shelf for now and do something simpler. I'm just NOT going to do a test only cycle. My goal isn't just growth. I need to lose BF as well. That means different diet, more cardio and yes, WINNY. The only way i will learn how it affects me is to take it and see. I am prepared with my AI's and my PCT. If you want to help then give me some advice on what i should look out for while on Winny (For those whove taken it). I don't want to be a giant like you. I want to be lean and cut.

strongman480's picture

dude I went up to 1200 mg of test for a friendly comp a few months ago click on my user name and take a look at my cut legs.I also was taking d-bol which is known for bloat. those pics are a good example of how important diet is. winny wont do shit if your diet is not up to par.

bigandlean's picture

If you read my previous post i listed "Different diet" as the number one thing for cutting, but I want a boost in dropping BF. that = winny on top of a dialed-in diet...

strongman480's picture

I guess you will just have to find out for your self. good luck to you.

Doss's picture

He hasn't responded to me a single time since I posted that response in the group. That's why I posted it here, bc he was responding here. Still, no answer.. We'd all like to get him on track but its his call.

bigandlean's picture

I'm so sad... Don't leave. Please, No!!!! hahaha.

bigandlean's picture

I thought you were done? Just be the child you are, take your ball and go home.

Doss's picture

Man, honestly, you're in way over your head with this one and don't even know it...
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With your current BF, you're extremely more susceptible to side effects ranging from BP issues to estrogen related. Don't quote me here but there seems to be a correlation between BF% and estrogen activity, as well as with cardiovascular-related disorders.
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This is realism even with your most basic compound: test. Masteron will yield a completely different, as well as similar set of sides. As will nandrolone.
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Because you are a beginner, we try to take guys such as yourself thru a process so to speak. Starting with one compound; test, we are able to see how we react to it alone. We are also able to learn how to regulate other related processes like estrogen activity during our cycle. Although a good AI is key here, it's not always that simple. There is so much more to running a productive cycle than sticking that pin in your ass and hoping for the best. It's about educating yourself and listening to your body throughout the process, because what works for me may not work entirely the same for you.
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Demonstrating proper execution of AI's and pct protocol tells me that the beginner is ready for the next, more complex cycle. Dealing with issues regarding side effects and such without complete correction tells me that the beginner is not ready and should continue working towards perfecting the same cycle. Jumping way too far ahead with conpound choices and still trying to make it work, tells me that my time and advice is not worthy to them.
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Now I understand why the compound choices. But i still ask: why stick with them? Trust me when I say that you have yet to truly learn how you react to either anavar or test. You may remember the sides you dealt with, but I'm certain you cannot tell me which ones were related to which compound. So, with the addition to masteron and NPP, you will be faced with a set of side effects and no experience or clear understanding of how to manage and/or correct them.
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Things like profuse sweating, shortness of breath, elevated HR at random, irritability, strong libido but unable to maintain an erection, or loss of libido and complete sexual dysfunction, how about waking up frequently not from sweating (that will prolly happen) but bc you have to pee several times a night. How will you know the cause and what will you do to correct them?
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You won't know, so you'll hit the boards asking for help. You'll get some mixed information bc some of it will confirm what you suspect - wether accurate or not - and you will overlook the best advice of "drop the cycle and PCT", bc you desperately want to get it right and save your cycle.
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I say all these things bc I have watched this same thing unfold many times almost the same way. So, you should ask yourself: why keep this cycle? Can I afford to save the gear for another run and go with a test only cycle? Do I really want to set myself up for a broken dick and milking bitch tits?
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People highly underestimate what test is capable of doing for them, bc too much emphasis is placed on the gear itself. Truth be told, I can pick one cycle (test only or multi-compound stack) and depending on how i train and eat, I can either cut, bulk, or meet somewhere in the middle. Gear only accelerates the recovery processes. The gym stimulates them and the foods dictate the quality of the end result, not the gear.

https://www.eroids.com/og/beginners-cycles/please-help-with-this-cycle

Muffins's picture

Things like profuse sweating

I seem to be buying a new mattress yearly.

strong libido but unable to maintain an erection

This is the fucking worst.

Doss's picture

i had to get a padded mattress cover that i can wash. a/c on 65 at night, fan blowing, half nekid, sheet or no sheet; don't matter...

stretch_95's picture

I think u have some reading to do first dude. Most people can't just grab up a handful of compunds and pin them and get excellent result. Some people r lucky and get away with a jumbled up mess of compound or a dbol only cycle. U such as myself may be gyno sensitive and before u know it have a nice set of tits when u really wanted muscle. Muscles with tits don't look good on a man no matter how u stack. Do some research on long esters, short esters, look up steroid profiles, estrogen, anti estrogen, prolactin, look over other peoples cycle to help get a better idea of what compund r run with one another, bulking compunds, cutting compund, and diet just to name some. Read all u can before that first pin and u will be so much more please with tgo results, and want be as likely to grow those tits I mention earlier. I once thought juicing and getting big was just a matter of sticking a pin in my ass or popping dbol tabs. I WAS WRONG! I am not a pro by any means but I have came a long way and gained a lot of knowledge through it.

SwaySway's picture

Dude.. You know gym rats and homework are oxymoron's... I'm surprised your laptop didn't burst into flames when you typed that well thought out response!

Patience isn't a virtue that the average gym rat comes equip with.. Trial and error.. I figured that out five years ago on my 2nd cycle when the combo I took shut me down for two weeks.... cyst.. flu like symptoms.. muscles aches from hell...

Good advice Stretch..

stretch_95's picture

Well the way I see it u can only get out of it what u put into. So in saying that. These gym rats need to do their homework which will in return make them more productive gym raya. I have had a couple of trial and error cycles in the past, but I working and hoping this next upcoming cycle will be the bomb for me. My laptop didn't melt down on either of these reply but now the keys on this phone r starting to warm up abit.

SwaySway's picture

I agree with the bulk of the responses..

Get some Test E or Sus 250 with Deca 200.. Long active life.. Pin every 3 days...

I've used Mas.. I wouldn't recommend touching it until you BF is down in the LOW teens..

My big question I have is what is the result you are trying to achieve?

ReadyToKillIt's picture

No 19 nors on a first cycle test only.

EDIT: Just saw doss' replies and he's 100% right.

Doss's picture

Get some Test E or Sus 250 with Deca 200.. Long active life.. Pin every 3 days...

wrong... that's a big negative from me for advising a 19 to a newb

SwaySway's picture

@dossier31 I've been running that combo for over 5 years.. works for me.. that my experience dude.. I'm not a chemist.. but I know what I LIKE.... I'm just throwing out my feedback.. This is a forum no?

Is that ok Dr. Dossier? Or should I run ALL of my response by you?

Doss's picture

you should have enough sense, esspecially in you 5 years of "experience", that certain shit aint for certain people. it is a forum tho, and it has a nice way of screening itself and keeping certain things in check. something you'll learn soon enough, i'm sure

SwaySway's picture

@dossier31 I don't know what's for HIM or for YOU.. I know what's for ME.. We are on an anonymous forum.. ANYONE ON THIS FORUM HOPEFULLY WILL HAVE ENOUGH SENSE TO TAKE ALL RESPONSES WITH WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.. that DR. Dossier is common sense...

If you want to add an alternative point of view to my response or even a correction is fair.. But the way you come of Sir is truly something you need to KEEP IN CHECK..

Good day Dr. Dossier.. Newbie is out! I gotta pin my Dec/Sus combo before a turn on Sex in the City..

Doss's picture

lmao!! thanks for the neg too, sweetie! don't think it worked tho. ;)

i negged you for your poor advice, not because you're panties knotted up. enjoy the show, sweet cheeks

Muffins's picture

I don't know any Nandrolone Decanoate that is 100mg. You sure this isn't Nandrolone Phenylpropionate?

Doss's picture

Test. prop. Means you'll have to pin yourself EOD for roughly 12 - 16 weeks....

that's a helluva run for prop... lol