posted Wed, 09/04/2013 - 14:40
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Hi everyone,
I've just ordered my second cycle ever. It's supposedly a lean stack including:
test prop
nandrolon
mast
and Nolvadex and clomid.
I need some advice as to how much, often, and when i should take these. Like I said it's only my second cycle and I had an experienced friend help me with the last one. What advice can you give?
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I'm sorry guys. Like i said, I'm new to this so try and be patient with me. The website I ordered from doesn't specify some of the details you're asking for. It simply says that I'm getting the following:
1 * Propionate
1 * Nandrolon
1 * Mast 300
1 * Nolvadex
1 * Clomid
6 * 1ml 26G Needle
Please give me the best advice you can given this information. I need to know how much and how often to take these. I know the clomid should be a post cycle use, but what about the nolvadex? Should i just take this concurrently with the stack, or only if needed? If as needed, how much should i take if i start noticing 'bitch tits'?
26g needles can maybe be used to inject the oils. You'll need to heat up the syringe with a heating pad or blow dryer to get the oil to flow smoothly out. You need to pick up larger needles to draw out the oil, from the vial. I suggest 20g needles for drawing. If you're injecting glutes, you should probably get 23g but the 26g MAY work.
Nolvadex is saved for your PCT. You will not take this with the use of Nandrolone. It will antagonize prolactin. You take 100mg Clomid the first two weeks and then 50mg the last two weeks. Nolvadex is used 40mg first two weeks and 20mg the last two weeks.
You need to obtain Aromasin or Arimidex for the prevention of bitch tits. This is what an AI is. I personally like Aromasin. Research this shit. You're already way over you're head here, based on your questions. You also need Caber or Prami to keep Prolactin down. Prolactin is what makes your tits start lactating a nasty dark substance. Again, research this shit. These AIs are crucial.
I can't tell you antything on dosing, since you have no idea what the compounds are dosed at per ml.
I'm going to do the clomid and Nolv PCT. The Caber or Prami I will use during my cycle? And i've read several different opinions on PCT here. is the Aromasin an absolute MUST HAVE? My philosophy is the less i have to take the better... Is this one I will take PCT as well or is it during cycle?
There are a few PCT variations. Some just use 50mg clomid for four weeks. This is done when 100mg of Clomid is too much. For instance, some get more depressed and emotional on 100mg Clomid. I say start at 100mg and see how you feel.
You must have an AI! This is a must. I say Aromasinis better because it doesnt cause estrogen rebound when you stop taking it. Most run Aromasim through week two of PCT. You don't have to but it makes estrogen low and not as free. See nolvadex prevents estrogen from binding to receptors but fails to reduce eestrogenn itself that's why Aromasin is used halfway through PCT. Some people experience gyno after PCT and this is mostly due to excess estrogen binding once nolvadex us ceased.
Yes, you take caber or prami on cycle when you use Nandrolone which is a 19-nor. These aren't suggestions but requirements.
OK. Got it. Gonna order some Aromasim and Caber now. What doses of these will I take?
Aromasin take 6.25mg morning and 6.25 at night. With the Masteron you may need to jus do 6.25mg. You will learn to adjust this based on estrogen related sides. I really think you should just do Prop. You have Masteron and the 19-nor which is an ass load to learn in a first cycle. Lots can go wrong. I use Prami but caber is .25mg twice a week.
I completely understand. I just did a TON of reading here on these forums. The advice I was getting from my "experienced" friend was totally not useful!!! I knew NOTHING about PCT!!! Once i get the vials and see what the concentrations are I will post and get some advice. What is a standard mg dose of these substances? I can do the calculations based on the concentration/ML
please be more descriptive so you can receive better help!! is it npp or deconate? and is it mast e or mast p ???
It's a lean stack. It is going to be NPP, especially since prop is being used.
27, 6'1" 220lbs, BF: unknown.
First cycle was test prop only. Saw ok gains, but bulked up in BF as well. Want to do more cardio, tighten up the diet and get cut.
I chose this stack b/c it was a "cutting cycle" according the supplier.
I forgot i also stacked anavar as well.
Everyone wants to stack their first cycle. You sir are STACKING. Just do Prop and this Var. that is simple and a good learning experience.
What picture are you most comparable to?
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=body+fat+reference+chart&FORM=HDRSC2...
25%
That is considered to high to run gear. You should diet and cardio hard for a few months and get under 15% at least before starting.
I hear ya. Is this because it's too stressful on my heart, or something else?
It implies your diet sucks, and adding AAS won't be as beneficial. High BF has increased side effects, with a higher chance of gyno flares.
grab an AI too
How old are you bro? What was your last cycle, And what made you want to choose this stack?
Also, no src talk. Hit the edit button and take out that src name.
Age
Height
Weight
BF
Explain your previous cycle.
Please see above. Thanks for the help!!!