posted Thu, 10/04/2012 - 08:57
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How do you know how much is enough?
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Since we are all learning, I have a question for the vets here. At what point do you learn to increase test from 500 to a gram? Not that I am looking to do that with only 3 and a half cycles under my belt. It came to me when my buddy whos on this site told me he takes 1200mg of EQ a week, and a gram of test. I have done EQ at 600/test 600 as a second cycle and liked it minus the water retention from test.... So for my next EQ cycle I was wondering, should I go up to 800mg? 1gram? I dont wanna push it but I am just wondering so no one jump on me cuz im still young and in early cycles
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I have used/been successful with matching compounds that boost eachother for more effectiveness without getting too carried away. Example...600/600 test eq for clean mass is radd! Goal changes towards cutting 600 eq/400 test. Small change with bigger effect. Knowing your body and adjusting as needed. So 600/600 was ok....how bout prop/tbol kicker? Then add in a finisher after that. Or rework whole cycle so you end up cut hard like frontload the eq....prop kick 600/600 til week 10 then lower test by 200 and if bf is sub 10%...masteron//var. Bulked beginning went cutter to finish.
Basically reworking good combos to match food and goals. Not just high doses to force correct errors.
you just blew my mind... now i think i am gunna run that cycle
Test E 600 wk 1-12
Test E 200 wk 13-18
EQ 600 wk 1-20
Test Prop 100mg/EOD Wk 1-4; 18-22
GOOD GOOD GOOD... get that brain ticking and force the compounds to compliment each other... this is were the learning and the fun of using aas starts ... just hitting massive dosages straight of the bat is for the brain dead imo... learn and enjoy aas runs bro the combos for extreme gains are numorous... big doses bring big sides,grow into compounds slowly and sides are unnoticable most of the time due to the body adapting... fuck me if we all used grams at 24yrs of age we would all be shooting a full 10ml bottle to result at vets ages.
AnonI like this man. Real solid stuff...Right on VIKING
Haha lmao... No dont worry I appreciate the advice and i use it. I wasnt going to jack my dose I just wondered if going to 800 would yield better results than 600 but like i posted above, I like this stack... Im just more worried with Test bloat when I am tryin g to get lean... I bloat bad and your pineapple tick helped but i dont wanna have to eat pineapple everyday to keep that water level down
13-18 try 350-400. As the androgens lower you'll see cuts Pop out if you're lean. That subq water should fall off. Pay attention to your ai so you dont get low estro since eq only converts at half that of test. Ive run it like this last summer and went from 12% to bout 8% plus put on mass. Had Nice abs/obliques finally. Lol
lol thanks man, ill try 375 like zewi suggested a while. I have only ever used adex at .5mg E3d once sides showed... what do you think about this?
Listen to body. Up to .25eod if needed. Go back to e3d as needed when test lowers to 375. Key to better gains is adapting...changing as needed. If you super clean diet the last part of that should be sharp/vascular. Eat good at beginning for mass...then adjyst foods to meet bf
One part of the success ratio for this lifestyle is learning your body
We all respond differently and responses can change due to countless variables
i figured but I was looking to see at what point vets like you went up... so i have a rough idea when i need to start really watching for a dropoff
You analyse your gains bro. As long as your diet, training and recovery is spot on, and you see your gains begin to diminish (law of diminishing returns) you then have the option (depending upon your experience) to add another compound or bump up the dosage slightly in preparation for your next cycle. I can't give you a set figure of how much to bump up each compound since the potency (anabolic/androgenic ratio) is the main variable in this case
how many cycles in general would you say? not to put you on the spot but how long before you went up. Im still learning how i respond to compounds so obviously i wont go jacking it up yet but I know people doing 1.2grams of eq and get great results so i wondered if i can hit 800 this next cycle
Everybody is different bro
In my case, 3 cycles of test ONLY at 500mg/wk and i was ready to move upto to 600mg/wk.
Lay down your previous cycles, stats and current cycle layout...
GOT IT
My first cycle was 12 weeks: Test Cyp 500mg/wk for 12 weeks.
Second cycle 16 weeks:(loved it) Test Cyp 500mg/wk
EQ 600/wk
wintstol 25mg/ day weeks 14-16
Third cycle was 16 weeks: Sust 700mg/wk
dbol wk 1-4
test prop 100/EOD weeks 1-4 and 12-16
Fourth (current cycle)16 weeks: Test Cyp 400/wk
TrenE 400/wk
Winstrol 50mg/day weeks 14-16
Stats
Age: 24
Height: 6'3''
Weight: 243
BF: 10.7%
tread-mWork you proper AI and all your protocols and you follow achievement. If achieving the goals no rush to cfhange. There is no set time IMO...you just know, so don't look for it, it will find you.
Its good and refreshing to see and read my brothers words back again in these cycles pages... keep bringing brother you are the man
tread-mAwww...my brutha!
Thanks man, i know it sounds stupid but you think i can go to 800eq a week? I mean i saw good results last time. I just dont wanna rush it, considering last time i rushed i took tren and it fucked me up health wise
tread-mI would roll the same doses as last time brother if you stay with that cycle. You have an enormous amount of time ahead of you in this world so think about where you may need to be at 30 if you are pushing the numbers at 24. See what I mean? Work that diet to achieve more, bigger cals in protein, switch up those workouts and find confusion etc. Use all the tools you can for as long as you can and switching compounds around as well. You get to be my age at 47 having pushed at your age and you have a problem. Think about the increases veeeeeery slow you will need for the next 23 yrs to be achieving at 47 and older. Puts it in perspective.
Stick with 600mg for now bro!... biggest lesson here regarding EQ... you MUST have patience with this awesome compound and run it for a minimum of 16wks imo to get THE best results.... simple as that!
X2!
last time I ran it for 16 weeks, i wanna take it to 20... you think im alright with 20 this time?
I just mentioned patience .... it seems you have NONE! lol.... like tread says if you rush into overkill doses this early in your aas career you will have NOWHERE to go when you get older.... slow the fuck down and take your time,concentrate on doing things RIGHT instead of fucking yourself up again.
AGREE!
no i gotcha, i just want to take it longer since I did 16 weeks greatly... believe me I have patients now... after what tren did
Could you also, run the Test for the same amount of weeks than the Eq?
Yes you can bro..some like to run test another 2wks just like with deca i believe you can take test and EQ right upto the end pin then start pct 28 days later..thats my view others may disagree... sometimes when i lay cycles down i forget about pct due to not doing anymore lol.
Got you, thanks for the info bro. Now, have you seen my wife? i don't where is she at :/
Shes up in the back office with me bro :)... dont panic shes safe as houses and we are both still dressed lmfao!
I knew it, give her back her 6 inch heels and her black stocking bro, is not ok to borrow clothes from my girl, buy your own ROTFLMAO
OK :(
no you should stop EQ 2 weeks before test