High Primo - Low Test - plus Orals
Seasons greetings, I just thought I’d see if any of you would like to comment on this cycle.
Oral kickstart
Weeks 1-3: 50mg/day Tbol
Weeks 1-14: 250mg Test E
Weeks 1-7: 600mg Primo
Weeks 8-14: 750mg Primo
Oral finisher
Weeks 14-16: 50mg/day Tbol
PCT
Nolva 50/50/25/25/25 (25mg tabs)
Clomid 50/50/50/50
I also have some extra Nolva on hand, some Arimidex, Clen (50 tabs), and HCG.
Diet is clean, vegetarian for 8+ years (relying on whey, casein, milk, greek yogurt, eggs, beans etc). No alcohol.
I'm going for the greek god statue look. Etched in stone. I like the physiques of Frank Zane and Mike Mentzer.
36 years old 5'11" 185-190lbs, been in gym since I was 12. Had several years break for military service and then another several years break for dental school. Haven't pinned juice since 2002. Ran some orals recently (winny and var, shock the muscle, shock the liver lol). Been hitting the gym hard last 2 years, ready to mutate.
Thanks for your time.
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Greetings fellow Brotein Shakes, just thought I'd update on my cycle progress.
I'm approaching the end of my 5th week and I've gained close to 15 lbs. Guns hugging the sleeves like my man Robert Frank says on youtube lol. I'm attributing most of that to the 3 week kicker Tbol and it's SHBG properties yielding more free test. Everybody says 4 weeks for esters to kick in, well I feel mine kicked in a little sooner but regardless I'm coming up on week 6 and we rolling. I'm taking arimidex 0.5mg EOD. I'm also taking 20mg Nolva ED currently since left nipple started getting puffy. I'm contemplating scaling back the test to trt dose (125mg/week) to let the primo shine forth. I can go another 10 weeks. I'm saving the var for another cycle. I haven't done any cardio yet. I feel I'm expressing less and less of the lactase enzyme b/c when I mix 8 oz of skim milk to my shakes I get bloated/gas bad. Anybody mix exogenous lactase enzyme with their milk?
Current stats 5'11" 200 lbs. approx. 11% bf.
How confident are you that your primo is actually primo and your tbol is actually tbol? Both of those are real slow tissue builders (primo is a good 7 weeks before it starts to shine) and your results are very atypical of a low test primo/tbol run. I could potentially see those results at the end of a twenty week run but that is very strange for only five weeks in. Puffy nips also has me wondering about those compounds. That is strange also.
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to reveal the source here in this forum, but they're consistently in the middle of the top 10 here on eroids. Their test and primo were tested on anabolic labs as gtg. But ultimately I can't be certain.
yes I was certainly caught off guard at the quickness of gains, so I stopped the tbol at 3 weeks instead of 4 and decided to use the rest of the tbol to finish with during the last 3 weeks. I still feel dry just like when I started, I still seem vascular, and I think my bf % is unchanged. I'm considering taking the test down to 125 from 250, holding primo steady at 600.
You complain of some puffy nipple problems at 250mg of test. Are you sure your Primo is Primo? If you aren't usually prone to "gyno" at such a low test dose, you should be suspect of the quality of your "primo".
yeah that's why I was thinking it was the shbg effects of the tbol effectively increasing the test dosage. Plus I mistakenly didn't start the arimidex until week 4. Plus it seems my source overdoses their gear. They are always in the top 10 on eroids rankings. Their primo was tested g2g on anabolic lab recently. But of course I'm not 100% of anything.
Nordic man, you need to be introduced to kitchen man.
how about laying out your cycle history,full stats and diet.
185 at 5'11" isn't big enough to chisel out a Greek God unless those are your stats at 6% bf
Full stats please.
Your too light to cut and chisel anything. Need to add some beef. What is your bf?
Im not an expert but I think you should deffo add hcg mid cycle (500 iu/week) or either 250iu twice a week in order to keep your nuts from shrinking. Remember hcg could give you gyne because it increases estrogens so you should have that on mind.
I also recommend you use hcg in you pct, it will help you recover faster.
There are some studies that show that taking between 60-80 mg of var/ed will shut down your production of testosterone up to 85%. Var is quite expensive too so I think there is no point really.. If you are looking after the greek god statue look, just use the clen along the pct so you burn down some more fat.
No.
HCG during PCT is counterproductive.
WHOOPS
Thats a brain fart ............... right?
WTF are you talking about! HCG during PCT....not! Just add in clen during PCT...again, very dumb idea!
I know you didn't learn any of those dumb ideas from this site.
I read it here, not sure if it is reliable: http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/topic/92206-the-famous-power-pct-program-by-d...
This is why real experience is what you should be basing your comments on and not just parroting what you read on the internet.
You get the greek god statue look from your diet not primo, tbol and var. To get that look you need to have a good base to cut up first. You are pretty light for your height so there really isn't much to cut up right now. Get up at least into that 210-220lb range and then you will be able to get the look you are after. This cycle will be a dissappointment and not really help you get that look you are after. You need to bulk first.
I didn't think too hard about height and weight, a bulk would be better. I know diet and training are what drive results, but isn't tbol used to bulk and is supposed to be like dbol in that regard? Would it be practical to use either in a cut? I would think they add a lot of water and would be counterintuitive no?
People tend to use the drier compounds when cutting so the hardness and vascularity aren't covered up by any subq water retention that can occur with the so-called wetter compounds such as dbol. Tbol doesn't aromatize so it can be classified as a dry compound. The dry compounds can also be useful for bulking also, so tbol, var, SD, primo etc can be used just as successfully for a bulk and aren't reserved for so-called cutting. Alot of the compounds help impart a specific look such as vascularity, hardness etc when your bodyfat IS sufficiently low to show those effects but the compounds themselves will not take you down to that lower bodyfat to really see their particular benefits.....that is all diet that gets you there
Thanks for shedding light on that and your contributions on this site. I learned so much from your threads I feel like I should pay you!
I'm really beginning to think that humans are the dumbest fucking animals on earth. If not the laziest. Everyone thinks roids are the magic fairy dust. Nobody reads anymore. Nobody works out a good food plan. And nobody wants to put blood sweat and pain with the iron anymore. I don't get it
To many succumb to the belief that if they take a so-called cutting steroid, lets take primo and var in this instance, then they will become buffed and ripped. Oohh boy there is so much more to it but it is hard to get that point across. The OP won't be the first or the last coming in here thinking all they really have to do is take some cutting steroids and bam, there ready for the cover of a magazine. Not digging on the OP specifically here since that belief unfortunately is widespread.
I can't stop looking at myself in the mirror I need help lol. I look and feel the best ever right now so I'm very grateful. So will be interesting to see how this goes. What is intoxicating the most though is seeing the looks from the ladies, no other drug compares to that lol. Anyways, hoping for a gradual recomp. Trying to avoid the bulk/cut paradigm.
Most entertaining post I've seen yet lol. 5'11 & 185lb and you think girls are looking at you?! Only person looking at you is....you.
Put up a pic Alice. Let's see what we are actually working with here?
is this guy serious?
lol. I think so. Decades worth of cycling experience in here but he wants to jump off the cliff with this one without listening how get where he wants to the most efficiently so I guess its time to move on.
typical person that thinks they are a special snowflake. doesn't want any advice on diet, in fact won't even post his daily diet.
seems like he just wants to talk about himself and how great he is. I'm not all that surprised to see 25 year old kids act this way. wouldn't really expect it from a grow man.
Agreed! I've made my share of mistakes. Just try to pass it on to stop others from doing the same. Jesus Christ I must be getting old
they all seem to think that getting ripped is just about showing basic skeletal muscle............. Most folks have forgotten the BUILD part of the word BODYBUILD.......................................fuck em!!
Skinny and ripped. Pretty easy look to obtain by just stopping eating. lol
i have just spent the past couple of nights skimming through a lot of tren orientated posts on here............ it seems ALL the ones the love and adore tren on here are mid 20s and rarely weigh over 190/200lbs............................ fkn joke on here lately brother i just cant be bothered............ this is a gym rat special site now............. very few serious people here now.
skinny kids on roids....................... i want no part of it.
stats are bollocks as well........ i reckon these fucks saying they are 25 are 17/18
Never even touched tren during my first comp and I took the masters overall. Last comp I incorporated it and took 2nd. lol. Alot of things can be accomplished without the use of tren,
People are going to want full stats (bf%) to help advise you. Why up the tool week 6, and primo half way through? Have you run a cycle this long before? What is your previous cycle history? I would read up on hcg usage mid cycle to keep your boys normal size, and maybe research hmg too and see if it's for you. I would recommend you run pct for 2 extra weeks to get better recovery since your planning a long cycle. I did it after a 20 week cycle and it worked well for me. You won't need that much var and honestly you can probably skip it, why spend so much $? Food, solid training, sleep and food will get you there.
Thanks for response Xmad.
I don't know for sure but I speculate my BF is mid-teens based on the mirror. I have some calipers somewhere I should bust out.
I only have the Tbol increased at week 6 b/c I have 90 pills and wanted to keep it a 6 weeks.
Also the primo is dosed higher on the back half just b/c that is how much I have 9 vials.
I've only run 12 week cycles in the distant past. Mainly combos of test, eq, deca, dbol, winny, var. I guess at my age now I want to keep sides down and recover, so yeah I'm anxious with this cycle length. I like your advice on extending PCT by 2 weeks, glad it help you on your 20 week run. I've heard of the hcg use while on I need to consider that more.