Hey everyone, new guy here
Well i made the plunge and got some gear. I have a friend helpin me out with some of this and ive done some reading but heres what im running:
8 week cycle
1/2 cc of test e 400 twice a week, Mondays and Thursdays
25mg of dbol twice a day for first 4 weeks
that followed by nolva(50 tabs at 20mgs) and clomid (50 tabs at 50mg) for PCT.
pretty basic for a first from what ive come across but what are your opinions? I have mild concerns about gyno because i had actually gotten this before as a teenager (skinny as hell too) and i attribute it to the acutane i was taking at the time. I am still a little unsure about the best approach to run the PCT.
also, anyone know if there could be a reaction while taking an antibiotic (monodox/Doxycycline)
finally, second day after pin i got flu like symptoms.i am reading that this is fairly common with high concentrate test though.
your thoughts will be appreciated and thanks
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8 weeks is not nearly long enogh bro, need to be at least 12 wks.
How long you been training?
Have you got an advanced knowledge of training and nutrition?
be patient, learn the essentials before you jump in the deep end.
I have been off and on since during high school and have been going seriously again for the past year (25 now). I am almost pushing 250 on bench which is a very good feeling for me. I would say i have good knowledge around nutrition and training above most people at the gym but then again most there seem to have little knowledge about how to lift right and overworking themselves or not working enough. I am hitting 4k in cals and probably close to 300g of protein daily but apparently i need to get more cals. This wil be another aspect i have to work on.
how long have you been lifting for ?
56tooWell bud it doesn't look too good to me.I strongly suggest u post up your stats, like age, height weight bf % and your goals for this cycle otherwise u wont get much help around here
my apologies!
age: 25
height: 5'11
weight: 155
honestly my biggest goal is to gain some weight and size. I put on 4k calories a day right now and have so much trouble pushing past that. I do very little cardio, mainly go for heavey lifts. Right now my bench is around 245 and it would be nice to see that increase as well.
thanks
you're eating 4000 calories per day and 300g of protein and you weigh 155? How long have you been eating this way and has your weight increased? Are you doing a LOT of cardio?
I ask as your maintenance calories will be way lower. Your either burning off too much or there's a metabolism problem if your weight is not increasing eating 4000cals per day.
i was running 1 mile twice a week but have reduced that. I have been maintaining that consumption for the past 6 months and have gained 3 pounds. i have also upped how long i am at the gym during that time.
I will say that i am actually eating about 2300 of those cals typically and the rest is weight gain shakes. Im not sure if thats my downfall?
my family has a very high metabolism though. I weighed 130 outta high school : /
I know it's difficult if you're not a big eater naturally, but there's no substitute for real food. In your case, nothing wrong with weight gain shakes, but lets try and gradually increase what you're eating. Appetite takes time to adjust, but it will happen if you work at it.
At this stage if you start a cycle I imagine you're going to be very disappointed with the results. You need to be able to put on weight naturally, steroids will only enhance that effect not completely change it.
You should be thinking about trying to reach 180-190 naturally before running gear.
Thank you for this. Im sure you guys get a lot of people in and out of here and dish our repetative info, but it is nice to get some solid feedback on things i need to adjust. I trust you and going to probably delay the cycle abit. being that ive done one injection (200mg test e) and some dbol, is there any real risk if i just stop and put everything off now without pct?
No issue after 1 pin mate. No pct etc will be required.
FR and PM me if you want to and I'll help you sort out your diet and training regime. Sure there's some things we can help you with
No1if you cant gain weight without steroids you damn sure wont with them.. learn to eat
And 8 weeks of test e is pointless 10-12 weeks
Looks all wrong to me man. I suggest browsing the forums on "beginner cycle" it will lay out a proper first cycle and pct and AI. Need to do some research before you put these things in your body.
i have enough test e for 10 weeks if id like. maybe i can push that out.
outside of that the only differences i see is that:
maybe get an ai, cut the dbol down (maybe completely?) and push out the test cycle?
There's no maybe to getting an AI. You want to grow boobs? AI control estrogen, you NEED it for a cycle. Do not start your cycle until you have adex or aromasin.
Don't run dbol on your first cycle. Get some more test so you can run 12 weeks and keep the dbol for your second cycle.
Not sure gear is your answer from looking at your stats.. If you want to bulk up, you need to learn to eat. Without eating properly, your cycle will disappoint. It's not magic, you need to start increasing the calories and the protein you take in before this is going to yield results.
understandable. for the armidex i can get 10 x 1mg tabs. from what i gather im suppose to take .25mgs starting week 3? is that daily? i see alot of specifics on post cycle but not for ai during.
thanks for the replies
Start on e3d, raise to eod and ed with increased dosage if symptoms of gyno appear, (itchy /sensitive nipples). Do a bit of research around the forum, loads of information about AI's. it's important you learn about what you're doing before you start pinning gear.
Completely agree with SDM. AI is a must!
Dosage depends on sides. A lot of people start .25 EOD or E3D. Then increase if sides occur.
thanks guys. i understand that theres oposition of someone with my weight/age doing this but if i do, i at least want to finish it as healthy as possible. I will put off any more pins until i get my AI. 10 x 1mg tabs will be enough on week three to finish until i start the pct i beleive.
10? I would say you need to have more then enough on hand. What if you get sides while running .25 e3d so then you end up having to go to .25 eod? Or every day? Or have to bump up to .5? Need to have more than "should be enough" you want "I've got plenty and EXTRA"
what are you going to do for pct??
well at .25mg a day, that would be 40 days worth from the original 10 x1mg tabs right? If im doing eod then 80 and 120 at e3d..etc...i do see your point tho about if i have to boost it to .50 cause then thats only 20 days but at 3-4 weeks into the cycle i "should" be ok right? I will order 20 tabs just in case but just want to make sure im understanding the dosage correctly.
for pct i have nolva and clo.
nolva i have 20x50mg
clomid i have 50x50mg
pct week 1-2 100 clo and 40 nolva
pct week 3-4 50 clo and 20 nolva
thanks!