posted Sun, 01/31/2016 - 03:59
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I'm new in the steroids world, so before I post I want to apologize for any newbie mistake!
Age: 31
Weight: ~225 lbs
Body fat%: ~11 to 12
Years of training: consistently 5, on and off 9
Diet: Always been "clean"
I am starting a cycle of test cyp and wanted some pointers and help from you guys!
12 week cycle shooting 250mg twice a week
Arimidex 1mg every 3 days but I'm considering on doing.5 mg to start and see how my body reacts.
PCT after my 12 wks, take 2 off so all the testosterone is gone the system then start with either clomid or nolva and maybe HCG.
As far as diet comes I'll eat everything keeping it on the clean side of course!
Is the good, bad, horrible?
Any help would be appreciated it
Thanks
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Good thread, since I will be doing my 1st TRT type cycle at age 49 starting in March.
I hear good things about HCG, so that will be part of mine as well (Very similar look to yours)..
Seems like you have things on the right track here. The cycle is the easy part. Keep a close eye on on your diet and adjust as needed and it should be a productive cycle. I would start that adex on the lower end and adjust upwards based on blood work if needed. (.25 mg e3d works for me) You need estrogen to grow so if bulking try keeping it on the higher end of normal. You want Clomid and Nolva in your pct, not either or. Keep us updated.
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Yeah diet is paramount! I have a blood work results somewhere that I did about a month ago. I'll look for it and let you guys know. OK I guess I'll cut the tiny pill in 1/4 gotta get my surgical kit out for that lol and I don't know I guess I'll get both Nolva and Clomid then.
Thanks for the help
Post up your PCT plans so we make sure you have that dialed in. Don't want to ruin a good cycle because of a shitty PCT.
Well as of right now I only have arimidex. I can find anything I want basically. With your guys help I can dialed it down.
I was thinking of running arimidex for .25 mg e3d from the beginning of the cycle. I have read that I need nolva and clomid after the cycle is done.
Post cycle 2 week off then start my pct for 4 weeks the doses I'm not sure as of yet.
What do you recommend?
No, I would recommend against adex during PCT!
Look up type 1 and type 2 aromatase inhibitors.
Ari only attaches and by that blocks the aromatase enzyme which is responsible for the production of estrogen.
Aromasin on the other hand disables the aromatase enzym permanently, so estro can never attach to those enzyms.
That means, as soon as the Ari gets out of your system, all the Estro which couldn't aromatize is now able to bind to aromatise enzyms which then leads to the known estrogen rebound.
So if you want to run an AI during PCT, I'd go for Aromasin but you would need couple of days prior to the start of PCT because Aromasin takes a while to build up.
Further Nolva and Ari contradict with each other, Ie. lowering their effects.
My recommendation:
Week 1 Nolvadex 40mg and Clomid 100mg a day
Week 2 Nolvadex 40mg and Clomid 100mg a day
Week 3 Nolvadex 20mg and Clomid 50mg a day
Week 4 Nolvadex 20mg and Clomid 50mg a day
And Aromasin if you want to run it.
Week 4 Nolvadex 20mg and Clomid 50mg a day
Okay okay I'll do that.
However, I heard to reduce the bloat and water weight I can take a low dose of ari. If there's a rebound can I continue taking it till I get to my pct so I get no rebound? Just a thought
Thanks for the help!
It always depends. Definitely take it until your pct starts.
For me personally, if I stop the adex which I take during the cycle and I am not continuing with aromasin, I get massive estro rebound making my PCT way harder than necessary.
Try to get your hands on some aromasin if you really want to run an AI during PCT. It's not necessary and always dependant on the individual but as mentioned, if you want to run an AI during PCT, aromasin it is
Okay what I'm going to do is get aromasin but I won't take it unless I start getting some side-effects and tenderness. Then run it for two weeks or until it goes away.
Thanks for the help Pericu
I can have sky-high e2 levels and not have any puffyness or tenderness. You need to be aware of all sides and get bloods done. Otherwise you're just guessing.
Thanks guys for the help!
I'm at ~3800 kcal a day
Carbs: 423g
Protein: 282g
Fats: 104g
I know the daily recommended amount for protein is .8 to 1g but I like to cycle my intake from a low (.8g) to a high (2g).
My training as of today is
Monday- chest, calves 4x12
Tues - back, abs
Wed - legs with abs
Thursday - arms with a set of heavy chest 3x8
Friday - shoulders and a set of heavy back 3x8
Saturday - active cardio (basketball)
Sunday - legs and abs
I'm open to suggestions and by all means I'm no expert so feel free to critic!
Thanks you again
No, it's alright. If you do it because of satiation or out of convenience, totally fine. Personally, I have a higher protein intake then necessary myself, just because the food I usually it contains a lot of it.
Looking decent already. I believe 3800kcal is your current maintenance? So, I'd suggest of increasing your kcal a tad when you want to put on the amount of size you talked about.
Start with bumping it up to 4000, I'd recommend of keeping your fats where their currently at and increase the carbs.
Slowly, increase the kcal with each week. Of course, the test is already in your body but is slowly released in the first couple of weeks until it's fully at it's peak levels. So just add in about 50-100kcal a week in the first 3-4 weeks. You'd end up at around 4200-4400, giving you a surplus of about 400-600kcals/day. Keep it there for a while and track your progress. You could even push it further but this would become a bit more complicated and being your first cycle, you want to keep the nutritional aspect rather simplistic to see how your body reacts on the compounds. The more you'd need to think about different aspects, the more the risk of screwing up a bit. I guess you know what I mean :-)
Further I'd like to mention, don't let the scale fool you. It's your first cycle and you don't know how your body will react to the compounds, Ie. water retention. There's a chance you'll look bloated and soft but don't think that it's because you're gaining! With the mentioned surplus, you won't see drastic fat gain.
Of course, when gaining, there's always be some fatgain as well, but nothing you can't shed afterwards with a short cut.
Remember, gaining muscle takes way longer than losing fat. ;-)
Of course, I can't say that much about your training routine because for that I'd need a super detailed history and current setup, but the layout is enough to tell that there's a plan.
At least I'd like to refer to a great article of my buddy Makwa:
https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/workout-exercise/ma...
When you do things properly, you can get great results from this cycle!
Awesome! I'm gonna do that!
I'm refreshed and impressed by the level of understanding and knowledge.
Yes my training is somewhat good. Used to do a strength week, followed by a hypertrophy, followed by a endurance/hiit week. However, I feel and have read that while on wear I should focus on the high end of the rep range 12-15 and high sets. That is all about of volume!
Thank you again!
P.s amazing article!!
No prob man. We're seriously here to help. Ie. keep people healthy or help them becoming the best version of themselves. So, you're always welcome.
You said it yourself. It's all about the volume. Ok, not all, but volume is one of the biggest drives for progress. But read the article from Makwa. There's a lot of further info about max. your gains.
Brad schoenfeld just published a study about "comparisment on hypertrophy in diff. Rep ranges"
and it shows no significant difference in doing for example 3x10 vs. 10x3 related to the hypertrophic response. Anyway, it takes way longer and it's much more draining to do 10x3 reps. In the same amount of time you could easily do 3 exercises with 3x10, ending with a bigger total volume in the same timeframe. Further you can recover more easily from the intensity.
What I want to say is, keep the rep. ranges where you have them already and vary your set numbers on a weekly basis.
for example you could do
1. Week - 3 sets
2. Week - 4 sets
3. Week - 5 sets
4. Week - deload
This is only an example of a simplistic periodization.
But, my suggestion is the same as with nutrition, don't overthink or complicate things too much. Keep it as simple as possible so that you can easily make adjustments when needed
I meant gear * lol
I agree with you, and it's nice to know there are still genuine good people who are trying to help others!
Alright I'm gonna start at 3 sets tomorrow and move up progressively.
Thank you
Should I start arimidex on the onset of the cycle or on the 4th week?
Hey Buddy!
Good base to start from and no, it's not horrible at all!
Just a bit if tweaking here and there.
As MedDX already mentioned, start with low dose of Ari at around week 4.
In my opinion, HCG is not necessary. Everybody reacts differently but for me, it doesn't help my post cycle recovery and only raises my estro gen too much during the cycle. The consistency outweigh the benefits. That being said, this is only for me.
But, what are your goals with this cycle?
How does your macros look like?
And a short summary of your training please
There's my training and my macros.
Thanks you Pericu!
And my goals are to gain at least 15 lbs more if possible
Thanks Pericu...good to see you taking this forum in the direction.of calories and macros. If diet is dialed in correctly, OP could easily keep 10-15+ lbs of quality mass, being that its his first cycle...
Its about time guys start pushing the diet. I've talked myself to death trying to convince people its about the god damn diet. Hence why you don't see me say much anymore.
A+++ on forum content and receptivity of OP. One of the best by far....the flow is smooth and cordial.
Absolutely!
Especially when looking at his pic, it seems like he has a great base to start from. Could make great gains when those things are nailed down!
Yes sir... all he needs is to calculate his BMR and balance his TDEE. Harris Bendict Equation can help him with that..plus Cats Clinic for diet and a Makwa Consult for equalization...he is on the road to successful gains....i gotta go lift...
My BMR is about 2700
Thank you MedDx
Always welcome...stay strong, focused and positive. BRO FIST!!!
Thanks man I really appreciate you guys help. I don't know how to work this very well as of yet but when I do I'll learn to follow you guys and become friends in here and become part of the fitsmartsociety lol
Remember pre, mid and post cycle bloodwork. I would be easy with the AI dosage. High estradiol signs and symptoms are specific to knowing when to start the AI (adex) administration. Everybody is different. Start low dose .25mg and frequency should be e3d more than likely starting week 4. No hCG during PCT.
Welcome to Eroids...thanks for pic and stats. Any other meds you take or have allergies?
What's your goal with this cycle?
Hey buddy if that's your face in your profile picture I'd block it out. I'd be willing to bet cops check this site out some times
Thanks for looking out!