First EQ cycle...low test or not...that is the question!!
Hi all!
Ok a bit about my background.
I'm 34, have trained any all different aspects since I was 15.
I have run 3 cycles, always been dbol kickstart and sustanon. Last cycle was last year. Always had good results with:
Dbol @40mg and sust @500mg per week.
I ran the last cycle a little too long and managed to get some
Lovely acne on my face which lasted 2 months! Not one spot
On my body though.
I know what I'm doing with regards to diet and training, I'm a PT and Sports Nutritionist. I also have an extensive military background.
Ok all that aside....this is what I'm about to do:
T-bol @ 75mg for 6 weeks.
EQ @ 600mg for 16-20 weeks.
Test E @ 250mg 16-20 weeks.
I have my Ai's ( aromasin and a-dex just in case)
Also have clomid and nolva for pct.
Taking all relevant ancillarys etc etc.
My question is TO PEOPLE WITH THIS CYCLE EXPERIENCE.... Does the low dose of Test E work well??
I do not want bloat or any of the possible negs that you get with test (keep them to a minimum) I know there will always be neg sides.
Any comments much appreciated!
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You're def not going to gain a lot from that cycle. First of it takes really long for eq to start working and even then, it is a slow process, especially on a low end dose of 600mg. Tbol will give you nice kiskstart but then it will slow down. I would up a littke on both, test - 350-400mg and eq to at least 800. I'm a big fun of proviron and I would add it to a low test cycle to make more of it bio available plus control estro without strong ai overkill for a low dose test. It would add some nice hardness at your bf. Just some ideas to consider.
I m confused ... the majority of eq cycles are run 16-20 weeks, how long are you telling him to run it? ... the dosage is a bit on the low side at 600 but average dosage of eq is generally around 750 while people are getting to know how it works for them.
the test dose is more of trt dose but again what's the reasoning for bumping it up, he hasn't been on a jillion cycles so it isn't like he's adjusted to any sort of dose .....
sust vs test ... that's a very personal choice and i find that most people who reallly like sust are not such big fans of test ... myself, i prefer sustanon to test but again that is personal
Thanks for the response.
All of the 3 sust cycles I did were at 500mg a week and I gained each time. But I have read that the bloods on sust fluctuate more than Test E.
What I don't wanna do is commit to 500mg of Test E and then start getting any Rapids sides. If that makes sense?
I know mg for mg "gear" isn't what it was in the 70's etc etc but I don't wanna start abusing or hinder my training and health.
I'll do a blog for this long cycle.
i don't know about that mg per mg comparison .. i do know that people have interchanged pharma with ugl and have still had the same results on blood tests ...
sust only fluctuates badly if you don't pin it often enough i recommend pinning e3d to maintain levels or even eod if someone wants to pick at the test prop component ..
I used to just pin sust on a Monday and Thursday, like I'm doing now with the Test E.
The other reason for me keeping the dose low was because its going to be a long cycle (up to 20 weeks).
I'm not sure how 500mg a week of Test E for 20 weeks would stand!
you'd be more stable and get better results pinning sust e3d .. it isn't so bad I ve run 18 week cycles pinning e3d i prefer short esters and even pin my eq e3d .... it cuts down on the amount of oil i have to use per pin and it works better for me ... to each his own
I didn't mention anything about the cycle length . All I said that it takes long time for eq to kick in, end when it does kick in, it slowly builds quality muscles. So with a very low dose of test the gains won't be huge for a cycle of this lenght. I recommended he run eq, test or both of them a little higher to gain a little more from a 4-5 month cycle.
I took that as implying a 16-20 week cycle was not long enough sorry .........
Cheers BigThing.
I was thinking about the Test at 375mg.
What's your opinion on the Test E over Sustanon?
I personally blow up more on Sust than test and I know that you want to avoid it. I think test E will give you more stable bloods and let you feel out the eq working it's magic.
It was ok. It kinda snuck on me. I wasn't seeing much and then around week 11 or 12 I noticed that my traps got bigger and overall I gained few pounds and became more vascular. It was nice after the test E gains slowed down a little bit around that time. But it did raise my bp towards the end, that's why I don't really run it anymore. Donating bloods helps with that but It's just another issue I don't really need. Some of my buddies love it and run it once a year. You have to try it for yourself. Keep in mind that it is harder to recover from these long cycles.
By the way I'm sure the Tbol has kicked right in, getting amazing pumps and feel 'tight'
How would you compare it overall to dbol? I've heard pretty much the same aside from water retention, but I've also heard only dbol will give you the crazy libido and well being.
Ok cool, I'm looking forward to the end goal.
It's nice to try something "new" to me.
Will just make sure my PCT is good enough and not slack in the gym etc when it's over.
At what week did your blood pressure raise so much?
Have you had good experiences with EQ then? Seems like a marmite compound...people either love it or hate it!
RustyhookerFolks hating it have crappy diets. No patience. They want tren and drol plus 25 pounds in 8 weeks.
EQ definitely requires patience. By the time it get really gets going a normal 12wk cycle would be over and done with. When I reflect back on my EQ cycle I keep thinking I am not real impressed with EQ, did this even do anything. I just recently looked at some of my pictures from that cycle since I am contemplating running bold cyp sometime and wanted to see again what boldenone did. Now after looking back at those pics, I am like DAMN.....20wks of just 600mg of EQ had me jacked up and impressive but it didn't happen overnight. I am liking EQ more and more as I look back at those pics. I just wish it didn't jack up my BP as well.
RustyhookerThats where I'm curious on the bold cyp. Faster ramp up so you can mix/match a shorter run and pull the plug to pct. 20 weeks means long off times.
Yeah that's what I figured. Too many people now scared of the hard work and relying on the meds
RustyhookerWe've all made that mistake. And its costly. Lol.
With all our bodies reacting differently, some chems perform for you but maybe not so much for me. There is a lotta self exploring to do as well.
Thanks for replying guys, I will post pics when I get the chance. @Rustyhooker @Makwa @Faz @Chunkypbna
I don't wanna run the EQ any higher than 600mg as its my first time trying it.
Body fat is currently at 8%.
There is so much debate over low dose test, some love it some don't.
I chose this cycle as I wanted to add some more lean mass and cut up a little more around the mid section. I didn't want the sides of Tren etc.
8%....what more can you have left to cut up. lol
Your primed for some serious lbm gains, so take advantage of it.
Haha, always been quiet low...a perk of growing up skinny!
RustyhookerAgree with makwa bro. 600 is great imo for first eq run. Add some mass and cutting sounds like your fenetics. Get some 15 pounds on there and fight to keep it.
600/600 was a great one for me on a bulk. Lower test I do for a leaner finish. Easy enough at week 12 to lower test to 400 and let eq polish ya
RustyhookerTall...170.....whats your goal? Bodyfat? Pix?
StatsAge: 34Height: 169cmWeight: 82kgBF:
Looks perfectly fine to me. Some Tbol to get things going a little quicker should transition well into when the EQ is starting to get rolling. I am running a low dose test cycle (250mg) right now along with some primo and loving it. It is hard to put it into words but my body feels so much "cleaner" and more energized with the lower test. There doesn't seem to be that constant battle between test and controlling estro. You could probably get away without even any AI which is always a plus. Should be a nice dry cycle. Maybe consider some provi with this cycle to really help bump up free test levels. First run with EQ and 600mg is where I would start out with. Since you are confident in your diet and training I don't see why what you have posted wouldn't be a successful cycle.
Why not run the test a bit higher say 500mg a week, at the dose with a clean diet there shouldn't be too much bloat, til week 8 then drop it down to your suggested dose when the eq will really start getting to work.
I agree with Faz. I would bump the eq up to 800-1000mg a week