posted Thu, 04/07/2016 - 01:07
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First cycle, will this bring results?
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So for my first cycle I'm planning to do a 6 weeker. 100 mg Test P EoD, 25mg Winstrol ED, as PCT starting at day 43 Clomid 150mg first day, 100mg rest of week, 50mg 2 weeks after that. If I get itchy/burning nipples, I have some arimidex at hand.
Will this cycle bring some results, or will O waste my money?
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This was almost reading like you was taking every pro caution and feeding from the advice given...
And then Boom! It all went to rats shit when you mentioned DNP! Are you fucking crazy
Post a picture and let's see if your ready for any type of cycle at present
Don't worry. I've got this one. I have set-up a plan for this fella and he's responding to all the advise. DNP is off the table as are aas at this stage. I'll be working with him over the next 6 months at least. This guy has done unbelievably well so far - I've seen the pictures. Will get him there safely.
Well done fella
Good to know he is in safe hands
cycle is a bad idea I wouldn't recommend it.
I wouldn't recommend test prop for a first cycle or winstrol. Please do some research online and spend some time planning an ideal cycle. Nothing wrong with spending time reading and learning.
NO it will not produce the results you are looking for. Why: your bodyfat is way to high right now, you have no concept of proper dieting, and you are a newbie in the gym(essentially 1 year under your belt). The steroids do not produce the results. Diet produces the results and that is what you need to spend some time working on to get that mastered before you start cycling. No amount of drugs can make up for that.
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Stats
Age: 27
Height: 175cm
Weight: 96kg
BF:
Please full out your stats. What's your BF? Goal for this cycle? Diet and training to reach this goal. What's your experience training and why do you want to run a cycle. Also can you elaborate as to why you have chosen the compounds and prop ester of for test for a first cycle? Why only 6 weeks? Lots of questions here fella.
Basically you need to research a lot more. Maybe take a look here and come back - https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/first-time-cycle...
I don't know my BF. I researched a lot. Well the Prop because no front load anf it's out of my body really quick after the last injection.
Experience training. Because of a shitty start in life on an off lifting for years now. In constant training again for about a year now. Had to focus on getting my weight down from above 150kg first. Before someone will bash me for 'no AAS before reaching natty potential', I'm aware of what I'm doing. Goal is to get a bit forward, like where I would've been if my life would've went smooth.
Training PPLPPLx hard. Diet has still a huge deficit, but I eat around 190g protein a day.
Please spare me the broscience of food timing, fast and slow digesting and things like that.
Firstly congratulations on the weight loss. Secondly, go figure out your BF. Buy a pair of callipers off Amazon they cost nothing. You say you've researched a lot then assuming you have you should know at least the following and more:
So given you don't seem to have looked into this properly I would say you're not ready to run a cycle and especially not the one you've laid out. This is backed up by the fact you have only been training consistently for a year and don't want to talk diet (because it's "broscience"). My suggestion....continue training and working on your diet and research more and come back and post a new first time cycle considering some of the points above.
I want to talk about diet. There is always something to learn, but I dislike theories that aren't scientifically proven.
The more research I do, the more diverse the 'optimal' first cycle becomes. Everybody has another opinion on this topic. Knowing from my former short time TRT (250mg TE e21d) after dropping off of anti depressants, I know that I have no problems with testo injections.
500mg Test E per week would probably the best because of the esthers half-life, but maybe a FL with some Prop during first week?
Right, only thing I found was a) use throughout whole cycle or b) use if you get itchy/burning nipples.
Had a complete BW done about 2 weeks ago. My PE told me my results had never been better.
This is a diverse topic, too. Clomid is the absolute consent but some people advice to take nolvadex in addition and some say it's wasted.
Maybe redpill me a bit on this if you've got the time and patience? I really appreciate your help and advice.
Glad your engaged fella. And I am happy to help.
Seems like your may be changing your view on the right ester to use. I agree with 500mg pw test e split Monday AM and Thursday PM for example. Drop the prop kicker. 1 week will be pointless and running it longer is not advised as you have no idea how your body wil respond and if you aromatise heavily you could have issues with estro. And can you confirm you get the point of test only for a first cycle and won't run the winny?
Research the optimal AI usage - read this https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/first-cycle-when...
Can you pls share your blood work? And given you don't know your BF how about a pic so I can help judge.
All this said I do think you're jumping the gun on this given your current time being consistent but the blood work and pic will help inform this point.
Regarding diet why not just post up what you're currently doing and what you plan on doing on the cycle. At the end of the day it will be here that you will see your results and not with the gear. I promise not to feed you "untested" theories. We can keep is nice and simple so macro and food sources will be a good start. And what about cardio?
Edit: standard PCT supported by the majority here and recommended for a first user is clomid and Nolva dosed 100/100/50/50 and 40/20/20/20. Tried and tested. Clomid to restart your HTPA and Nolva to protect against gyno from estro rebound and will provide some support for restarting the HTPA. Nolva costs very little so rather be safe than sorry right?
I read the AI post. Sounds reasonable. So I stay with T only for first cycle to get to know if I will be fine on higher dosages of T and to find my optimal dosage of AI.
Share the BW is a bit tricky. Have to convince my PE to hand it out. In germany getting your BW done is such a pain in the ass. Each Hormone costs about 20€ but the free BW at least contains Colesterol, and all the basic things.
Also have no pic at hand. Either I post one if I'm nack home or I have to trust the comparison pics out there. If they can be trusted, my bf is around 20-25%.
Diet: Lots of veggies to stay full, enough chicken and lean red meat to get to 190g protein per day. Very few carbs, <30g. Basically PSMF. Supplementing with a good multi to get all my vitals.
Routine: PPLPPLx as Strength followed by hypertrophy trainig each block. Like S(PPL)H(PPL)x
Btw goal: Build up some upper body volume. Got pretty big legs for being fat all my life (Squat is 115kg to begin with cause upper body is weak. Never tried to do more than 250kg on leg press) So maybe good genetics? Lol
Ok no worries about the pic. Post it up when you can. As to sharing the blood work just type it out or take a copy and black out your name and any other identifying components and take a photo of it and post it up when you can.
So now we have confirmed you're between 20% to 25% BF that's puts you at the lower end of the spectrum with lean body mass of 77kg and at the upper end at 72kg. In my opinion you don't have the base to warrant use of aas at this stage and his would be counter productive for you. You would be better served further reducing your BF to around 15% while maintaining or increasing your muscle mass to improve your lbm. This can be done natty by setting up your diet correctly, doing sufficient cardio and of course continuing to lift. It may take you a little while but when you are there you will be in a much better place to run your basic test e cycle and put on some decent muscle mass as you desire.
I know this is probably not what you want to hear but it is the truth. I have been through a period of my life where I got very overweight and I used aas too soon when my BF was too high and I took one step forward and two steps back. So I prolonged me being able to reach my goal at that stage. Having higher BF puts you at risk for all sorts of complications including high estro, high BP etc. and you could end with a worse body composition than when you started.
You sound like a sensible guy so hopefully you will listen. If you want some help setting up your diet to get your BF down I'm happy to help or you can hit be guys up on the diet forum to seek their advise.
You're right. That's not what i wanted to hear. I just want to speed things up a bit. Getting to my current weight took me already 6 months. And it's getting harder and harder although my bf is still f*cking high. I just want to be attractive one time in my life and I'm already 27. Not much time left to enjoy being young. I also consider taking some DNP to at least get somewhere.
Btw cardio: 30 minutes LISS EoD, 20-30 minutes HIIT ED 6x weekly.
bigmurph27 im 35 and im no where near done getting plunty of pussy. Brother if you just stick with your workout and diet you are going to be getting girls no problem.
This is one of the reasons I do stay in shape trust me they don't call me big because im a mass monster I hold alot of bf sometimes. Just keep it up and you will be fine don't fuck with that stuff that im not even going to say the name of because you wont be alive to look good unless you want to use it to look good in your coffin stay away from that shit.
You're on the right path and doing a great job.
30 is the new 20 brother. Stay the fuck away from DNP. Your recipe should be continuing the clean eating, reevaluating your TDEE to meet your goals, and increasing your intensity.
Don't be a fuckhead and go running DNP! Stick with the cardio and you'll see great results in 90 days with what you're doing.
Please accept my FR.
bigmurphThats good help there you got this one taken care of
+1
Thanks fella. I've give then OP a solid plan on PM which will see his BF down, muscle mass protected and in a position to consider a test only first cycle within 6 months. Most importantly it will be done natty and safely. He's done amazingly well in a short space of time and hopefully will be patient for just a little while longer so he can really enjoy the benefits of having the physique he desperately wants without putting his life in danger. I hope he listens.
Nice work brother +1
Good to hear. Thanks for taking the time to do that.
bigmurphIf he doesn't its his own fault when he fucks himself up because you wrote him a step by step guide to follow he should do fine now