First cycle, up downs, how much is too much????
Ok I'm new to the scene with very little knowledge, and now I need to know how to come out of this mess I'm in on top. Alright it all started when a buddy of mine asked if I wanted to try some gear that he was gonna get on cuz his buddy is on it and has the strength of a god.lol...well hell yeah I'm in, so we started with some tren 100, and bio blend t400 1/2cc of each every three days. By the second week my strength, libido, and night sweats like I just ran threw the desert. So I bumped up to 1cc of each till I ran out, then he gave more tren 100 and test prop 150, that I'm taking at 1cc of each Mon,wed,Fri so now Im almost out of that and I've got two 10mil vials of tren 200, and test e 500...I also bought some clomind so how should I finish this up?
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Thank fk youve come on here to sort your shit out.. absolutely fking mental first cycle.. take ZEWIS advice and stop now before you damage yourself forever... complete PCT spend time researching then come back for quality advice not some gym buddy BS.. oh and welcome to eroids and get some stats loaded on your profile page then the guys have a clue who/what they are dealing with ok.
Absolutely viking PCT time for sure and yes thank fck I didnt wait until a couple more weeks to ask for help.
Good man thats the attitude we want to hear.. heres a +3 to get your karma rolling
zewiIMO just stop now and run a PCT. Tren shuts you down Hard and you have already done waht 5 weeks 6 weeks worth. and now you want to switch to tren E im guessing and test e 500.
well test e needs to be ran min 10-12 weeks to get what you want out of it.
IMO FINSIH YOUR TEST P AND YOUR TREN 100 AND START YOUR PCT 3 DAYS AFTE YOUR LAST SHOTS.. SAVE THE OTHER STUFF FOR YOUR NEXT CYCLE
WHATCH THAT TREN JUST CAUSE YOU FEEL GOOD ON THE OUTSIDE DOESN MEAN YOU ARE GOOD..MESS WITH THE DEVIL TOO MUCH IT TENDS TO FIGHT BACK
The tren was just 200mg normal tren acetate or however you spell it
Tren is not the Devil! Tren is extremely productive when used properly!
IMO there is no need to scrap the rest of his "cycle" simply continue on with the TestE possibly front loading the first 2 shots(dependent on where he is right now) and get his PCT in order.
zewiO IMO i would be fine with that. However, this being his true first cycle. I think he should stop after he is done with his test p and tren. And do a correct PCT and come up with a much better cycle. If this was someone with more experience than yes. This guy doesnt even have an AI. and im sure is nuts are small. Im just saying the safest thing he can do is finsih what he has and do a PCT no reason to prlong the cycle.
I talked with him in PM, he is 5 weeks in on Test blend, then Prop and tren a. He was going to switch over to tren E and test E and I said just drop the tren and finish out with the Test E while he is ordering PCT and go with a normal PCT after the TestE. I think cutting everything now without PCT ready will do him more harm than continuing with the Test E. Especially with no PCT in hand.
I agree with keeping test running until PCT items are in hand.. i just eyeballed this guys stats he is no light weight and seriously needs our help to keep safe .. BF is my ultimate issue before next cycle diet is crucial on this one.
Yes, nutritional adjustments, the key to everything!
Correct i agree the tren could be leaving under lying issues that would/could be hidden by continuing.. he will be heavily shut down right now and even with PCT potentially still could be for awhile after.. best to come off recover and learn before proceeding to cycle again IMO.
zewiwell said brother Viking. I couldn't agree more.
At gorillafit yes that's exactly what I did seen the shit was working then was like Yup let's get really going , didn't realize what I was really doing and I'm at the end of week 5
You don't need 8 more weeks
Alright thanks guys just gotta get on the right path I guess ill get off tren just stay on test for 8more weeks then do a complete Oct I've seen a lot of guys doing 500 a week can you go more than that or I guess what is too much ??
500-750 test E is good for a first cycle. If you take 3/4ml sun/thur that bottle will take you out 7.5 weeks at 750mg/wk. You'll do fine there. Get your diet right and get ready for PCT. If you neglect PCT you will lose most of what you gained and maybe more, besides feeling like shit for a couple months! Good Luck!
Alight man and like I said I got 20ml of test 500 definitely putting this tren away , and the diet is how this all started I was leaning out and losing my top end strength and my dumb ass friend turned me on to this telling me how I wwe gonna be ripped and stupid crap...but in the end this is no ones fault but my own !!
What exact week are you on? I'd really encourage you to cruise on the test at a low dose til all of your PCT comes in the mail and start your PCT and start researching.. You could really mess yourself up
Why 8 more weeks?
How many weeks have you been on cycle already?
You got an AI?
I'm starting week 6 Sunday, no I don't have any ai, and I'm not saying 8weeks is a must I just gotta get by until I can grab all this other stuff for a proper pct
You can't make dem gains if not using an AI.. All that extra test is gonna turn into estrogen.. You sound like your flopping back and forth between prop and test e too
Yes I'm flopping but I didn't even know I was until I was reading the bottles and I was like wtf this ain't even the same stuff, as far as the ai should I get some or just low dose the test until I can get all the pct
I would low dose the test unless you can get an AI in the next few days.. Here's the deal that test E usually takes 3-4 weeks to kick in and 2 weeks to leave your system to start pct.. test E dosing is usually twice a week.. Now prop will kick in within a few hours of injecting and for cycles most do every day pins.. Sounds like you started with a test E then at some point used prop e3d for a few weeks and now your back to test E.. To me this is a cluster fuck of esters and your not even getting the best out of your cycle because all that test it turning into estro any ways with no AI.. I'd scrap this entire thing and start your pct two weeks after your last test E injection and work on the basics.. When you come back fully prepared you'll get WAY bigger
Why would you say this?
From what I've seen and done, not many people squirt milk from doing Tren!
I understand the safety aspect but these comments are just wrong!
I've seen people squirt milk from tren and deca.. Not like a super soaker but leaking is leaking. If you want to get quality gains from test having a bunch of it convert to estro will impede on your gains and set you up for future gyno. My point is he's not getting the best out of even the test alone without an AI. I am not just wrong
FULLY AGREE! Test gyno and NOR gyno are from two completely different sources. Tren has a harsh shutdown and builds up prolactin for leaky tits. Test gyno is from high estrogen. Chemically....two different things and needs to be dealt with as such. You don't fix a flat tire with Superglue. Lol!
Caber is mandatory in all NOR cycles.
Aro/adex mandatory in all test cycles....which is ALL cycles because test is always base.
Did you get your Flu shot yet? LOL ;-P
If tren was easy peasy I'd be huge for this ebc. Lol! Thats why your hard cut! But youngster just needs to save his cookies properly and regroup.
And damn i sure need sugar....gah!
My point is running an AI without knowing your estrogen is higher and cutting it too low will impede his gains also. IMO it is a minority who get milky tits from Deca or Tren and people think everyone should take things they don't need. Maybe everyone should start recommending Propecia also with Tren or Deca? All of these preemptive fixes can cause many undesirable sides on their own! My point being the wholesale recommendation of any drug without enough information is dangerous!
I see what your saying.. But estro can't be to high or to low.. I think somewhere in the middle of both of our points. I just can't see someone running 500mg or higher of test not needing an AI.. This would really come down to blood tests for him to get it perfect.. About the prolactin.. raised prolactin levels effect recovery in pct so I think caber or prami is a biggy for a 19nor cycle even if your not lactating you still have elevated prolactin levels (the prami is not that expensive either).. I wouldn't compare it to something minor like hair loss prevention with proprecia.
actually I haven't used my A.I. yet because I'm not holding water or have puffy nips also libido is still strong. that's on 500mg of test. everybody is diff. so that's why you should have everything just in case, but it's not always needed.
I think MANY would disagree with your statement "Estro can't be too high or too low". You should have a conversation with Tread on the woes of high estrogen, he can illiterate on the topic. But like I said I have never had any issues with Prolactin while doing Tren or Deca, even both at the same time, so yeah I'm not a big believer in taking extra things I don't need that can cause me other issues and especially not recommending those items to others just because.
I mean that's great you don't get prolactin sides. What if he showed up in a few months later with those sides do we just tell him oh that sucks, guess you should have taken caber or prami after all.. Speaking of sides I've never had a bad side from .25mg of caber twice a week.
I think we can agree to disagree, you don't get prolactin sides and your friends don't, mine do and I have as well
IMO Recommending having it at the ready is all well and good. Wholesale recommendations of taking it without needing it is not. Again just my opinion.
So what's your take on it? Am I good with the 500-750 test with no ai till I can start the pct
Safety is good, but I think too many people start taking AIs before they even know if they need them, which lessens their gains. You should always have them on hand if needed. If you haven't seen any negative sides at this point I'd order my PCT and continue on at the 3/4ml twice a week or 1/2ml every 3 days. Everyone is different, I have never had prolactin sides from Tren. I run Adex to keep the pimples at bay now, originally it was recommended due to my higher BF%. That ain't a problem no more! LOL ;-P
http://www.eroids.com/pics/ebc-week-5-getting-cut
Yeah this whole thing is screwed up, big time I'm finishing up with the test prop of 300mg e3d right now the test e 500 will be here with the clomid on Monday .yeah next time I'm gonna due it right but for now I really am greatful for all of you hell if I wouldn't of made this forum Monday id be on 200mg tren and 500mg test e3d and by Jan Feb is be benching 500 but squirting milk all over the gym
Ahhh yeah that would not be fun.. No one can take your 500lb bench seriously when your squirting milk all over the place LOL.. When you finish pct and take time off and come back prepared you'll be much happier
It sounds like you are going back and forth with short and long ester Tren and Test. Short ester EOD or ED, long ester E3D or twice a week. So in your second week you see great gains, and decide what the fuck I'll double that? Make a plan and stay with it. Get enough gear to complete your plan. How far are you in 6-7 weeks? The rest you have sounds like long ester. I'd take the test 500 at 3/4cc twice a week and save the Tren 200 for the future. Get yourself some Nolva start studying PCT and prepare, prepare, prepare, next time!
Well man tren is a 19nor and it will cause you to produce prolactin which is for pregnant women so they can lactate to breast feed.. The way you stop this is by taking a prolactin inhibitor like cabergoline or prami.. Also it's gonna suppress your natty thyroid level =S.. You're not showing signs yet because your only on week two.. You need to get research the following ancillaries (use the search bar in the top right corner and get your hands on all of them)
Clomid, nolva - serms a biggy for PCT
Aromasin, letrozole - AI's stop testosterone from converting to estrogen
Caber or prami - prolactin inhibitors
A regular pct should look like this for 4 weeks.. You start it 3 days after your last pin I recommend you stop now take the time off and use it to research more.
clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Caber .25mg monday and thursday until pct is over.
At the very least DROP THAT TRENNNN, good luck
He's way further through than two weeks mate, read it again you'll see what I mean.
Ahh brains fuzzy from just waking up -_-.. I assumed he was stepping into week three by the way he typed that out.. What ever week hes in I think we can all agree drop that stuff and get ALL the ancillaries asap
At sdm so just quit and run the clomind ? How long after last injection do you start with it? And I totally agree this was extremely stupid to do with no homework but now I'm in and I'm just trying to get out while im ahead .
Stop, run a full nolva AND clomid pct, ideally with aromasin as well. You need to have all this in place before starting. Use the search, it's all here. Drop me a line f you're struggling ok?
I'm not going to spoon feed you for your own good. Not trying to be a prick, but you need to read and find out about what your doing before you do anything like this again.
Go to the link I just posted....
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/pct-and-ai-fi...
Use the search function and peruse the forum. 9 times out of 10, someone's already asked and the answer is just sitting there waiting for you.
Since you're using tren you may need to get ahold of some caber as well. Use the site, search it, observe, and then apply. Good luck.
You clearly shouldn't be running tren. Is this your first cycle? I'll put this simply for you, what you're running is ridiculous. 20% bf and you're running gear? Come on man, this is either trolling or just stupid.
Research time for you. Should have done your homework before you started.
You should stop NOW and run a full pct.
Btw - your profile pic, is that you? Do you want to advertise your face to LE?
I'm planning on 1cc of each tren 200and test e 500 every Mon ,wed,fri
and no ai..... that's insane please do research on ai and buy some and start immediatly
first cycle - 600mg tren and 1500mg of test per week.......