First Cycle - Test Only But Very Confused :(
Hey guys,
I have made a couple previous posts where I have gotten some good advice regarding cycles, however after further research I am now more confused than ever and I would appreciate any advice or guidance on what I would like to do here. Thanks in advance for your time.
STATS -
Age: 25
Height: 6'0
Weight: 203 lbs
BF%: 15%
CYCLE:
Test E -(Schering) 500ml/week split into two 250/ml dosages per week
Test P - Unsure of whether or not to kickstart with this on my first cycle ever, and if so in what dosage per week.
Duration will be 10-12 weeks.
Now, I have been advised previously to use Adex EOD for the first 3 weeks to combat estrogen due to my BF%. However, I have also heard Aeromasin is good but eliminates a higher percentage of estrogen. I don't know which one to use as I have heard you do need some estrogen to gain mass (and bulking is my primary goal).
Side effects (gyno) - Not sure whether to use letro or nolvadex
And what about HCG? How often, for what duration, and in what dosage?
PCT:
I'm confused here as well. I typically hear Clomid and Nolvadex after searching through previous posts, but have heard all different types of dosages as well as some other products.
I realize you guys probably get posts like this all the time. I did my best to research and come up with my own answer however it just resulted in more confusion and I want to make sure I do this correctly. I would greatly appreciate any help. Thanks.
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Ok, thank you everyone for your input so far. So here is another modified version with everyone's input taken into account as I understand it.
Weeks 1-12: 500mg Test-e per week (2 injections of 250mg bi-weekly)
Weeks 1-14: Adex .5mg EOD (starting only if/when I feel gyno)
PCT Starts Week 14:
Nolvadex: 40/40/20/20
Clomid: 100/100/50/50 (300 1st day only)
I read the link as well, which is where I got the original 10mg of Aromasin from. But judging from everyone's input I will order the Adex instead of the Aromasin to combat side effects.
So how does the cycle look now? I apologize if I missed anything obvious I'm trying to understand this the best I can here. Thanks
I think you will see good results here. You've checked the boxes and played it smart and safe. If you had multiple AAS in this cycle, and you got sides, how would you know which one was the cause? Here if you do, you know. What's that information worth? A LOT!
And if you don't react well, then that is valuable too. The most successful early cycles have been simple and test based.
Good work here on setting yourself up for the most chance of success. Good luck with your cycle.
Maybe will be good idea add some Bolde there.. 400mg/week and also split it up to two injections (Mon-Thu)...
I used Testo & Bolde cycle more times and all time very satisfied.
tread-mYeah well all time around here we go "test only" first cycle. That way we always learn the compound all time one at a time brother.
Yes, sorry.
AnonThat looks great! remember this race is won by the turtles not the rabbit.. (he shot his wad and got caught napping)
THIS is what I would like to do (however I may stay away from dbol):
Weeks 1-12: 500mg Testosterone Enanthate per week (2 injections of 250mg, Sunday Morning Wednesday night)
Optional: Weeks 1-4: 30mg of Dbol per day (split in two doses, one pre workout, one 12 hours later)
Weeks 1-14: 10 - 12.5mg of Aromasion Every Day (ED)
Weeks 4-14: 500iu's of HCG per week (2 injections of 250iu's, same days as test, but not in the same syringe)
PCT starts week 14, two weeks after last test shot
Week 1&2: 40mg Tamoxifen (nolva) per day
Week 3&4: 20mg Tamoxifen (nolva) per day
**This cycle was taken from another post but I modified slightly by extending the test injections for an additional 2 weeks, and also substituting Aromasion for Adex.
What do you guys think?
AnonI think complicating thing with this many compounds is plain old irresponsible... how will you know what side effects you are getting from what compound.. how will you know what is working and what isn't.. future cycles will be based on guessing because you threw in extra shit to start.. you add one compound at a time .. where is you clomid at? nolva is going to block estrogen but you need the clomid to kick start the system back again.
So then what should I cut out? This is just a basic cycle I copied from another post that seemed to get general approval. I'm just trying to do this as correctly and safely as possible, and be prepared for all possible side effects.
Anonlook at the link.. a very basic cycle is test only armidex eod as needed.. 14 weeks .. pct nolva/clomid.. basic, simple and VERY effective
Don't necessarily like D-bol in cycle at all, but hey that just me and most important thing to realize about this site is everyone gonna have something to say its what u wanna take from it. Also don't think need to use the adex everyday more or less If there symptoms
Standard protocol is HCG 500iu per week after your 3rd week, split this into two 250iu shots and run until last shot of your test e. I don't understand why you are only running an AI for the first 3 weeks only, if anything it should be ran the whole of the cycle, 1mg eod is quite high imo (Adex). Adex and aromasin do pretty much the same job but I believe aromasin doesn't negatively affect you hdl profile (I could be wrong though) and it also prevents estrogen rebound.(out of the choice of the two aromasin would be better but only slightly). You say you don't want to bring your estrogen levels too low, the AI is dose dependent and thus you can just reduce the dose until you are happy. As for the gyno issue, if the AI dose is chosen correctly this will prevent it, have nolva on hand just incase no need for letro.
Also nolva + adex isn't the best combo as nolva reduces the effectiveness of adex when taken together (I've never had problems though). However nolva + aromasin is fine.
AnonFirst time out: DO NOT KICKSTART, FRONTLOAD or whatever it's called today. Learn the "feel" of being ON cycle and the compound "coming on". Inexperience and over shooting your mgs and burning out your receptors and having a dull cycle is going to happen.
Use the Prop at the end before you PCT to be clear of all enanthate ester releasing Test and interfering with your PCT and thus recovery.
PM me for more or read my post to Forum about Frontloading.
AnonHey DOC I am curious about this cycling off with Prop? I have not read that anywhere, I am also in the midst of my first cycle at 500mg per week of test e.
I am just learning the feeling of being ON cycle and it does take getting used too, as well as the coming on part was very intense when it fully hit me.
IMO: Test E is good (I would up the dose to 700, thats just me), jump start with testP or an oral like Dbol. Have Aromasin in hand just incase of gyno or too much estro only. HCG is ur call, tons of different opinions on HCG. PCT should be good with nolva @ the standard 40/40/20/20/20.
I had more body fat then you when I started and I had no Estro problems but, everybody is different. I only use HCG on a stack.
Anon700 first time out? Have this guy on 2500mgs in 3-4 cycles? 500 is more then enough.
Amen. You have to know how your body will react. Slow and steady!
X 2 really first cycle 500mg will be amazing nicely put!!!!