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+ 3 First Cycle, Need Advice and Criticism
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Hello,
I've been training for 5 years, 5'11 and 160lbs and 9% bf. I'm 27 years old, and this is my planned cycle:
- 250mg/wk test E - OR - Sust 250mg/wk for 10 weeks ( both straight from pharmacy no UG labs, i go to pharmacy buy it myself)
- 12.5mg EOD aromasin through the cycle + PCT
- 25mg proviron ED
2 weeks after last shot:
- keeping the aromasin
- week 12 - 15 HCG @1000iu twice a week
- after HCG Clomid@50mg for 20 days.
I would like a suggestion on test E or sust, i know this is low dose cycle , but as a first cycle(and since this is not UG labs the dose should be fine) i rather see how my body reacts to it.
I've been researching for almost a year before coming up with this decision/cycle.
Any criticism/opinions would be gratefully appreciated.
Thank you,
~Regards.
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RustyhookerWorkout. 3 on...off...repeat. no skips on Sunday bs. On day is GYM day.
Chest/tris
6 sets 10-12 incline
6 sets 10-12 decline
6 sets 10-12 flat
THEN. .....ALL THOSE WITH FLIES.
Burnout on peck deck to finish.
Triceps....
6 sets 12-15 V bar push downs
6 sets 12-15 rope extensions
6 sets 12-15 jackhammer
6 sets 12-15 donkeys
Abs....calves too. Crunches for sets of 20 x 5 sets. Leg ups. Calves seated and straight leg 5x 20
Day 2 legs
Warmup 10 mins bike. Get blood into joints
Extensions 6 sets 15 reps, drop sets as you can
Leg press 6 sets of 15
Hacks 6 sets of 15
Seated leg curls 6 sets 15
Laying leg curls or good morning 6 sets 15
Day 3 back bis
Wide pulldowns 6 x 12
Seated rows 6 x 12
Shrugs...run the rack. 4 sets of drops with no break in drops. If you start 75 dumbells x 12...65 x 12...55 x 12 is 1 set.
Single arm rows or tbar 6 x 12
Bis.....
Standing curls 6 x 12
Thinking 6 x 12
Preachers 6 x 12
Reverse grip 6 x 12
THEN abs...calves
Hit this for 8 weeks. No more than 60 seconds between sets. Use notebook to keep notes on weight used. Also proof to self you completed. Update up in 8 weeks and I'll give you new workout.
Ok, I've been training for years but, only serious this last one as i've been less work stressful i could make some time in the kitchen, and went on a cut from 15%-9% bf which i also took a slow approach here goes a picture
http://postimg.org/image/d1lkx19n5/
my leg sucks and small joints.
5-11 and 160lbs after only a year of serious training is no base for steroid use. Judging by your upper body I expect your legs are way behind as you suggest.
yes, unfortunately my legs are way behind due my dumbness in the past that i regret everyday (being one of the reasons i'm planing this cycle... to grow them a bit )..... so im taking them more serious now ( or should i say... training them frequently and hard )
You are still young and can fix that .. ... you've only been training seriously for a year according to your own admission .. ditch the steriods you can still make gains by eating and if I have read correctly through the thread you don't even want to put on that much mass so why are you even bothering with steroids... Is there another sport or something ? I realize that I m not a text book example but even as a woman who is shorter than you I took myself to 190 with diet and training before touching juice .... I can come off cycle and stay off cycle AND maintain my 230 with food and training because I had a good base BEFORE I started cycling ...
so again I asked below and you didn't answer what does your current diet look like?
You're certainly not the only one that neglects their legs. Some of the guys in my gym have 250lb size upper bodies and 150lb size legs. It's not a good look ;)
hahaha yes, i was/am one of those guys... now i need to buff them up a bit, because this looks ridiculous
Then you need to up your game WITHOUT steroids. Let's get real here, you're 160lbs. That's no base for AAS. I can see what you're trying to achieve, you're in a rush to get your legs to catch up. Need to think about why you've ducked training them all this time, steroids aren't likely to fix that. Most guys I see skipping legs do it because it's too tough, way tougher curling dumbells.
RustyhookerThen will you be open to reevaluation of your plans? Hold off using gear 6 months as a trial time on new gym theories and foods?
Very small sample. Looking for sgtstedanko menu. I like higher protein personally. 1.5 g per pound off cycle
. gbodt 4 years ago
Mine is slightly casual so it's easier to keep up with eating.
Could be alot better but it gets me by
Meal #1
5x Whole Eggs
5x Egg Whites
3x Wholemeal Bread
50g Protein - 745 Calories
Meal #2
120g Chicken Breast
Wholemeal tortilla
30g Protein - 330 Calories
Meal #3 - PRE W/O
100g Oats
300ml Semi-Skimmed milk
30g Whey
35g Protein - 650 Calories
Meal #4 - POST W/O
100g Oats
300ml Semi-Skimmed milk
30g Whey
35g Protein - 650 Calories
Meal #5
120g Chicken Breast
Wholemeal tortilla
30g Protein - 330 Calories
Meal #6
100g Wholewheat Pasta
120g Tuna
30g Protein - 300 Calories
Snack/Meal #7
100g Redskin Peanuts
30g Protein - 520 Calories
TOTAL: 240g Protein - Calories 3525
Thank you very much for suggestions, u made me re-think everything, and as stated above... i might wait another 6 months to get in ASS.... i'm in no hurry after all.... and then if i still think that i want to do it... i will... Still when i start my ASS ( if i still want it 6 months from now) i will keep this cycle.
Thank you once more for your help and suggestions everyone
RustyhookerWhile folks are here....post your workout.
Ok i will be posting my current diet ( cut diet ) and workout
Monday: chest abs
-incline bench or incline db 5x6~12
-bench or db press - 4x 8
- incline db fly or flat flyes - 5x12
-Dips - 3x12
wed: legs
- Back squat or front squat - 5x8
-hack squat - 5x10
- stiff leg 4x12
- leg curl 5x8
- lundges 3*12
- calves
friday: shoulder tris abs
- military press 6x7
- side latera 4x12
- rear delts 4x12
-(if feeling it) shoulder press machine 4x10
- close grip bench 5x8
- tricep overhead press 3x8
saturday: back bis
- dead lift 7x2 or rack pulls 4x5~12
- pushdowns 4x12
-one arm db row 3x10 or dorian rows 3x10
- cheat curls and close grip ez bar curls 4x12
RustyhookerWorkout needs revamping. Circuit training keeps you tight but won't add the mass. I'll post up idea tomorrow. 3 on...off...3 on..
as for diet is something like( the diet i used for cutting)
breakfast: ( sorry will EU metrics or else im going to take hours lol )
(pancake)
300g egg white
25g whey protein
1 teaspoon olive oil
Zero cal Syrup
mid morning:
normaly some kind of combination of tunna / apple / cottage cheese
lunch :
150g chiken breast
200g sweet potato
brocoli and/or spinash
mid evening:
2whole eggs or 100g red meat or 100g chiken breast
with buns
30g dark chocolate 70% cocoa
dinner:
this is where i normaly where i cut carbs
150~300g of chiken/fish/pork tend/red meat
alot of veggies.. cauliflower,brocolli
SOMTIMES a hard boiled egg...
tomato
and if i'm hungry a banana
before bed:
50g whey protein
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besides whey protein i supplement with multi vitamin and BCAA intra workout.
now jumping from a 2.1kcal diet... i need increase this slowly or else i know i'm getting fat gains all togeter... and that's also one of my concerns
I like your modest approach toward compounds and cycling with a realistic goal in mind. I wish you success and longevity in this game. I mean that. +1
Anonat that weight I would stay natural and tweak diet and training... Just my opinion
Noizept do u mind posting a pic, please...no face shots...thx bro...
RustyhookerMaybe I'm just old and retarded. But here's why I'm tripping on dude even cycling. Stats. Yet he's happy at his build? So modify foods. Hardgainer needs foods down completely or any gains are list
This is 5-11 160 look.
I can see where 20-25lbs (180-185) more weight would make a difference, which would give OP a better chance of keeping his gains and the cycle not being a waste. A pic helps.
what are you doing for training.. five years ago you started training what gains have you made?
you are 5'11 and 160lbs? only 160 and you can't put on more weight with food?
what does and did your diet look like prior to cycling ?
Rustyhookertraining for 5 years, 5'11 and 160lbs and 9% bf.Â
Is this some sort of catfish? He's really getting a cycle advice and go ahead?!?!
Where do we draw the line though? A guy 20% bf we say lose it before aas, a guy 9% bf we say gain more before aas. The OP has a goal, maybe not to be a mass monster or compete. Who are we to pick and choose? How many look worse then the OP or better? I applaud tje modest approach and yes he could eat more but is that his goal?
I feel u bro! We may never be able to draw the line, but we have a way to communicate. And, thats better than nothing. I see it as a process like in nursing where we use ADPIE: assesment, diagnosis, plan, intervene, evaluate. If we dont put some plan into action, we fail to exist. Then, we fail to teach and educate. And, thats the wrong concept for EROIDS. We can learn so much here by sticking together and intervening thru peer review. Yes this site may take some hits and good people may go down, but our framework will never be torn apart if we keep our number one goal first and foremost, which is safety.
RustyhookerOnly thing I can see is if everyone promotes steroids while Not one person even suggested better foods is that I'm obviously a dinosaur here in forums and need to simply be removed.
This site is becoming riddled with full blown addicts. Drugs drugs drugs. ...There's no discussion of real foods, diet plans or even a REAL bulker diet. The idea of bulking alone and staying under 9% bf in itself is a farce. Then cutter bulker combo cycles...laughable. No foods mentioned or even a concern. Get fat just hit ECA, Clen, albuterol, or that 3 initial rat poison. Forget cardio...just spent couple thousand on hgh, tren and anavar. Cut all carbs and finish flat/sickly looking.
It's a group effort indeed. It's just caused me to be dumbstruck to see full thumbs up. I'm just obviously well past my dues to this page
it wasnt meant to be a burn towards you Rusty, u still my dawg, I just meant its a fine line we cross when we say yay or nay. BTW the 60's called, they want our platform shoes back.
RustyhookerDammit! Not giving up my white angel flight suit though. Lol
My aquarium platform shoes cannot be replaced!
RustyhookerI'm jealous!
I understand where ur coming from and i believe all of us come from a system of values. It takes all of us to stick together and support each other and learn. Its a peer review process that some of the longstanding members on EROIDS can step towards and make happen if we really want it. This is more than just an AAS review site...its an online school that many people need and look forward to being involved in and a part of...and i am one of those persons becuz i cant walk thru this world blind and without people that make me thrive on a daily basis....
I want him to get BW first....he doesnt want to gain much more weight...we need a weight-based-goal-oriented protocol to put in place so we can all be on the same page...i PMd you..
Wow, wasn't expecting this kind of fast and good feedback.
I will keep the cycle as said above but upping my kcals for around 3000 and as IrishMack said aromasin going to cut in half.
I know this is a low cycle and i would probably go better with 500mg with around the same sides, but i'm going to check how my body reacts, I'm in no hurry to get fast gains.
Once again thank you everyone for the help.
Ur welcome...
FR sent
250mg is ok for a first cycle , Test E is way better than sustanon250. sustanon has 4 different esters and this can cause up and down levels, is always better to keep levels stable .
The test E will take roughly 2 /3 weeks before it really starts kicking , everybody says to use test only for a first cycle but is ok to use 20 - 30 mg of Dbol for first 20 -30 days, Dbol is amazing , people says it bloat, but if you are lean (hardgainer) and eat clean this wont be a problem. it's alla about the diet!!!!
People say 10.12 weeks minimum but 8 weeks can do plenty for a beginner and the recovery is faster
For AI with 250mg, some people dont need some people need
No ... No it is not on a first cycle ....
Dbol and test are great together. But not for a first cycle...
Bloodwork brother...u are gonna need pre, mid and post cycle blood work...
And since u have provi in ur line up, u wanna really keep and eye on signs and symptoms of estro, being that u may not have any at all with 250mg/wk. Its super easy to lower estro, while using exemestane and provi...
For your first cycle I would stay away from sust. It six weeks to fully kick in and at least 6 weeks to clear. Also you need to learn how different esters will effect your body. If you have a reaction it will be a guessing game on which ester did it. Start cyp or test e I would go with 500mg's a week. 250 is slightly over trt. Also up your clomid to 100 and add nolvedex 50 mgs every day for 3 weeks then taper for the next 2 weeks. Also run your AI during pct for estrogen spikes.
Rustyhookerread his stats please.
OP doesnt want to do 500mg/wk. Have u read the whole thread, yet? U need to before advising. And, yeah, OP has been advised of single ester test, so to minimize confusion, u may want to clear up the majority of that PCT info u slung at him...thanks
Read all the replies before responding, OP knows its a low dose cycle and should be good, why does he have to cookie cut? Do you think he wont gain anything off 250 a week and if so why? he is being conservative and thats what we call longevity. Not everyone has the mentality that you need 500 or more a week to grow, because you dont. Diet and training trumps all, he could gain 15 pounds of muscle in 12 weeks on 250 if his diet and training is on point. Fuck he could do it without aas.
Damn straight...
12.5 aromasin might be overkill. start at half that eod and then adjust up from there. go in half increments because aromasin is a suicider so it will kill estro and no estro you will have no libido. Take gyms advice and split it to 125 2 times a week to keep it stable with less spikes.
Thank you very much for your suggestion,
I was kinda scared of that as well with the aromasin... but i will keep your advice i will reduce the dose of aromasin by half. (this a 250mg cycle only anyway).
I honestly think you should wait a year for AAS, and eat more. Much of the gains we make is due to the hard work we put in the kitchen. However if you're dead set, Test E is fine for you. I might also think of throwing in a light dose of Equipoise as well.
For a min let's forget about the fact that this is his first cycle....what good would low dose eq do especially on 10-12 week cycle? My personal opinion nothing except maybe an increase in appetite other then that eq would be useless at a low dose at that cycle length. But maybe I'm missing something and that's why I'm asking. But my experience with bold undec tells me otherwise.
Brother ur right...u aint missin a thing...even if he was thinking bold cyp...it dont matter...its a first cycle....
Not how we work here. One compound at a time.
Thank you for suggestion,
I'm not adding second compound right now, because the only ones i can get my hands on are deca or winny from pharmacy, as stated, since this is the first cycle i won't add any of those ofc.
The kitchen part, i don't want to gain a ton of weight im currently happy with my body composition overall keeping the low bf and the abs
, just wanted a bit more weight, but even so, not much... i rather gain 4lbs of lean muscle than 10lbs of fat in the mix, so a rather slow bulk instead. and adjusting the diet by the gains im getting.
Thats right...u dont need another compound...thats the way to stick to ur plan....thumbs up.bro..