+ 10 First cycle - looking for advice
Hi, I have been training on and off for several years naturally and in the last year and i half i have been training pretty much solid 5 days a week with a few spaces off for injurys, illness etc.
I have been on a cut for the last 3 months right now im 5ft 10" 173lb down from 190lb my BF is around 8%.
Im 32 years old and feel i have a solid enough foundation great diet and feel ready to start a cycle, i want to run 400mg of Test E for 12 weeks 2 x 200mg injections per wk
I have Adex but am not sure if i want to run it through the cycle at 0.5mg E3D or just keep it on hand incase i get any symptoms of gyno or excess bloat, Would it be best to see how i react to the test first before adding the adex?
For PCT i have Nolva and am waiting on my clomid before starting my cycle and plan on running 2 weeks after my last injection it at
Clomid - 100/50/50/50
Nolva - 20/20/20/20/20
Im looking at HCG but am not sure if it is 100% necessary for my first cycle on a pretty low dose of test? If i was to run it would you reccomend running it right through the cycle or towards the end coming into my PCT?
Also do you think that 400mg of test is enough for someone my age? i had my bloods taken a year ago and my test was 13 in a 9 to 21 range and i have had then taken again last week and will get the results on tuesday to see where i stand, i also plan on getting them taken at 6 weeks and then again probably after my PCT
Any advice or comments on my cycle would be greatly appreciated
Thanks
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I made a few mistakes in my first cycle. One was not eating enough and the other not using my AI sooner. I had very slight nipple sensitivity starting in the 3rd week. I didn;t think it enough to start my exemastane. In the 8th week i started Proviron and it mostly went away but kind of came back sometimes. I had no bloating or anything else. Throughout the cycle I didn't bloat or become overly emotional but I also didn't experience a raise in Libido. Everything worked ok but no change. In the 10th week i started the exemastane to see how I would react. After a few days, I just felt better and started getting really great morning wood. I ran the AI eod up to PCT. Next time, i'm starting in the 3rd week.
I'm not saying change your mind. I think it's better to wait and listen to your body. I'm just saying listen well. You may question little things and discount them as psychosomatic.
I hope my experience helps. Good luck and gains. And eat that protein.
Let me add 400mg is plenty. I did 300 once a week. I burned 16lbs of fat and gained only 6 in muscle but, like I said, not enough protein. The more I ate the stronger I felt, but i'm 49 and my body just doesn't want to lift heavy. So I kind of shut it down and focused on form and neg. reps. I could have added another 6lbs easily.
Not sure if it has been mentioned already, but I don't think you need HCG. Take my opinion with a grain of salt, because I will be running my first cycle here soon too so everything I say is from what I have read and not experience.
But since you are doing a test only cycle, HCG shouldn't necessary. It is very helpful though, because it would increase your recovery time once you are done with the cycle and prevent testicular shrinkage (doesn't mean it will happen, just should prevent). So from what I have read, it won't hurt you not to use it, but it will definitely help.
LOVIN IT!.... the first sensible approach to cycling in a long time....................... +3 brother and good luck with the gains.
Looks like your going in the right direction best wishes on your first cycle brother. Got positive vibes from this post.
Anoni like this and i much agree with no adex unless needed
Listen to your body.. def dont want e2 too low
Your on the right track
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Big bump for waiting until 32 man. I'm 32 now and did my first cycle at 27. It was 500 test cyp and 400 eq. You'll see Amazing results from your 1st cycle as long as your diet is in check. 90% is diet! Hats thenuse of raising protein synthesis and strength when u don't have the protein intake to fuel it. O e thing I'll say bro( cause it happened to me) is do the proper pct and stick with it. Don't let yourself get reliant on test. It's a bummer losing libido after a cycle and a mans 1st instinct is to remedy it ASAP. I let my mind get the best of me and it took yrs after constant cycling with improper down time to get my boys back to normal. You sound like you've educated yourself and you'll be ok though. Good luck to you bro!
Thank you for for all the positive feedback and advice guys, good to know im on the right path
Going to move my bloods to week 4 or 5 to see where my E2 is standing then add my adex if needed.
Just waiting on my clomid to arrive then i will be GTG but in no hurry to jump in until i feel ready.
Really going to concentrate getting my diet spot on for this cycle as from what i have read your first cycle is usually your best and i want to get the most out of it
Your diet will dictate how good your cycle goes post all your blood work here and the community will b glad to help u out. Remember cycle plus pct is time off before u start another one give your body plenty off time to recover and this exact cycle will give u amazing results for several more cycles ahead. Learn exactly how your body reacts to test then add another compound. This is a marathon not a sprint and u sir are very refreshing to most that we get on here good luck thumbs up
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Holly shit.... +1 bro I am actually proud of you for doing research and having a understanding of a basic cycle. Also I am pleased to see you starting with a low dose cycle.. And yes it is true that not everyone needs a AI but I'm glad you have it on hand just in case, I would recommend you get bloods done during your cycle to see how your body reacts to the test and see how you produce estrogen. All I could say is have extra nolvadex on hand in case you start to see signs of gyno it will stop it faster than arimidex in my experience. But GOOD JOB
Sounds like you've done your research and got a good handle on your diet and training. 400mg is plenty for your first cycle. I would hold off on the Adex and get bloods around week 4 to see where your e2 levels are then adjust accordingly. If you feel some symptoms coming on before that then start the Adex. I don't know that you'll need HCG for this light and short of a cycle. I think this is a safe and smart first run, and you should acheive good gains.
Wow very solid first cycle u have done your research its very refreshing to see. Your pct needs a little fine tuning the standard is Nova 40 40 20 20 clomid is 100 100 50 50. Personally I don't think u need hcg this run and as far as estro goes I think its better to wait to see if u have any sides. U might be one of the lucky ones that don't need an ai. This gives u a chance to see he your body responds to test its great your getting bloods check week six so u can fine tune your Al if needs be.
pct is fine, it can vary person to person, hes whacked an extra week of nolva, and dropped the clomid down second week, I like that, sometimes 100 of clomid for 2 weeks straight is to much in some individuals, to many sides such as blurred vision etc, his pct will work fine, that's how I like doing mine.
I agree everyone different and your right just saying the most standard pct is that
good info mate + 1
Thanks brother try to help when I can all the time trying to learn everything I can to love this site
X2 I hate using my phone to type it literally took me 8 mins to post with all the damn autocorrect. When I started there were 0 replies when I finish there are like 4, lol it's good when everyone is on the same page though
Lol the funny thing is I did the same thing no one responded then I post and Angus beat me by four seconds saying same thing lol
angusSounds like you have done your homework. I think that 400mg/wk will give you some great changes as long as your diet supports it. There is no need to jump into a huge dose of test. +2 for doing your own research and learning before asking for help.
Thumbs up for me its very refreshing to see someone take the time to learn