+ 1 First Cycle Ever Critique
I want to run a shorter cycle than 12 weeks, but at this point most seem to say to do 12 weeks or nothing. Is this correct? I am definitely really nervous. Some stats, I am in my mid 30s, been lifting and eating well for many years. I am ready to take myself up a notch. I bought LGD and Osta and was about to use and then I read the drawbacks. I have been considering cycling for roughly 20 years but knew I had to wait till at least I hit 30.
So here is what I have planned:
- Week 1 to 12: Test e @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total)
- Week 1 to 12: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
- Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts)
PCT
-Start 14 days after last injection
-Week 1 Clomid @ 75 & Nolvadex @ 40
-Week 2 to 4 Clomid @ 50 & Nolvadex @ 20
Side Supplements
-600 mg of N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) daily
I am reading reviews in order to get correct source domestically (wish these people would just build a starter kit for something like Austinite suggests). I still would like to do a shorter run such as 8-10 weeks but I know this is often frowned upon.
Do I need to get blood tests? Not sure my doctor is going to be good with this. They already argued with me when i wanted my test checked. Does everyone get blood tests? Any advice on avoiding shutdown?
Thanks
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Goals for cycle? BF%? What is your TDEE? What is your diet like - calories, macros? What is your training like? Lifting and eating well isn't much to go on. There is a big difference between lifting and eating well compared to lifting and eating to gain serious lean body mass or to optimize fat loss.
What drawbacks are you speaking of regarding the LGD and osta?
See below for some answers.
I train really hard and smart. I like wsb4sb, right now doing some 5x5s. Really just trying to lift more than the time before. Trying to grow. I hit the gym 5x a week not just for growth but just to feel good. Been like this for years.
I likely eat lighter than most, 2800 calories to 3500 a day at best. Needs improvement on cycle for sure.
I have an lgd and Ostra stack in my hands from platinum nutraceuticals. I heard it will shut me down so I figured I might as well run a regular cycle instead. Is this true? Are SARMs all the hype? Thanks again
You are a little light on the diet and going the AAS route right now will not make up for it. You will gain some weight initially just due to improved glycogen retention but will fall back to your original weight shortly after if continuing to eat like that. You have some work to do on the diet end of things first or your cycles are going to get you nowhere and get you nothing but a shut down HPTA. You have some room to grow naturally according to your current stats. Once you start consuming the proper amount of calories there should be no reason you can't pack on some quality mass naturally. Get your diet dialed in and put some quality weight on with that and then consider a cycle. No point in cycling now when you can put mass on naturally just with diet alone. Here is something to get you started.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/i-know-my-tdee%E2%80%A...
As far as SARMS go I am a fan of them. If someone is afraid of pinning, it is their only option in my opinion. Can also be useful for bridging between cycles if cognizant of the potential shutdown. LGD will definitely shut you down, but Osta should be safe as long as you are not crazy with the doses or duration.
Awesome information, love your linked post. Definitely got me thinking, especially in regards to diet.
Have you ever tried LGD? Is it any good? Should it be avoided? I was going into this whole thing thinking I would just try SARMs but research has talked me out of it.
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Why are we dishing out advice here when we don't know his full stats? Anyone see Mr 28% BF yesterday?
Sorry my bad.
I am 6 foot 2 ish 11 percent body fat, 190. Pretty lean. Looking for mass. Diet is okay. Protein intake relatively mid level. Around a gram per lb. lifting hard for many years.
I am not bad, 300ish on bench, easy 30 plus pull-ups or 5x with 90lbs on the body, stuff like that. Not impressive but not that bad. I had bigger days but I am not in my 20s anymore.
Thanks for any help.
The more info you can give, the better the picture we can build. I've got a much better idea of where you're at now.
I'm backing up Makwa here, I think you need to address your diet first or you're looking at yo-yoing on / off cycle the way you're eating at the moment. I think you already know that? Good thing is you've built a base and you obviously came here for the right reasons. If you need help with you're diet, drop me a line. I'd encourage you to get that straight before any cycling.
Not much to ask for, a little detail.....
fair enough^^
I have to say I was pretty impressed with the amount of knowledge wasted presented with his cycle proposal, way better than many 1st cycle's we;ve seen.
You misinterpreted that lol!
Seriously though, what's his BF%? See this lad yesterday? He was an expert apparently. Pics suggest otherwise.....
https://www.eroids.com/pics/time-to-shred-0
Catalyst, thanks for being patient with me.
Looking at Makwa's advice, It reminds me that I should change things up a little too.
Alright, hope this is okay but I just want to vet this. Ancillaries seem to be gtg from alldaychemist and the rest from pharmacom domestic? I would hate to encounter issues with either. Of course reviews will be posted once research is done.
No it's not okay to name brands it sources in the forums.
Sorry catalyst, still figuring this out. Worst yet it typing out message board posts on a phone. I may not be old but I miss the days of just regular gym contacts if I had a question. These message boards have been a huge help.
So a little snag. The source I feel comfortable with has only test e 300 mgs. I really have zero interest going over 500 mgs. per week. What is the best way going about getting the twice a week dosage down to 500, or should I just run 300 mg a week with only one injection? Thanks
Just do the math. 300 mg per milliliter. If you take 8/10 of a CC, that will give you 240 mg per injection. X2 is 480 mg per week.
yep, what Vhman said, it's pretty easy to work the fractions and get your desired weekly dose. You can also pin every 3days, and still convert that number to 500mg a week.
500/7 days = 71.4 mg per day x 3days = 215mg every 3 days
215mg/ 300mg = .7 cc's every 3 days of that 300mg/ml test.
See, 10th grade math is finally good for something ;)
Someone was paying attention. Seems like most people can't figure this stuff out unless there is an app for it. lol
He was using the Test-E 300 app. It's on point and fire!
If you are in the US, most states make it easy to get your own blood tests.
The norm is to get the female hormone panel from Labsmd.com
You'll want to see pre cycle numbers, you might have these from your doc?
Mid cycle at about week 6 and the day after your pin.
and again a couple months after you finish PCT.
Bloods are cheap and easy, it never hurts just to get them at random times and see whats going on,
Assuming your Adex is pharma grade, you may be fine with e3d or even less. It varies from person to person and you'll see whats up with yoour mid cycle bloods.
'Keep reading those reviews, there are some good sources out there and I bet you'll find a good one.
Read up on the signs of high and low e2, so you'll have a basic idea of whats going on with your body.
Create a cycle log in the log section, it is really helpful
Remember that pounding the proper food is how you reap the benefits of being on juice.
Shutdown is gonna happen on steroids, period. It's all about getting real clomid and nolva and recovering from that shut down.
Best of luck,
I look forward to seeing your cycle log and progress.
Thanks, this is a ton of help and info.
Unfortunately I am a resident of the one of the states that forbids these types of labs. I may try to schedule with the neighboring state and bring an old ID.
Yep basically now I am sorting out which source to use (reading tons of reviews) and then I will purchase in the next day or two. I will definitely keep everyone up to date, especially in regards to product quality.
I'm not sold on HCG, especially for first cycles. It's usually best to stick to just one thing at a time.
I was just following the recommendations of a sticky from another board. So you're thinking I can go without this?
Your first cycle should always be just one cycle. That's the only way to see how your body reacts to what you're taking. HCG will raise your estro, so I would avoid it this go around. Save it for next run and use it to jumpstart your next pct.
X2...especially trying to keep estrogen sides down on the first cycle...
Wait on the AI until week 3. You don't want to crash your estrogen. Also bump the clomid to 100mg for he first 2 weeks of PCT. Make sure to get bloods before starting so that you know you natty test level. This is the # you should be close to after PCT. It tells you you have fully recovered. Also get bloods about week 5 to make sure your gear is good, which will be evident by a super test level and your estrogen is in check. Estrogen should be between 20-50. A lot of guys shoot for 20-30, but I like 40-50. Just personal preference.
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Thanks, so I will definitely hold off on AI until week 3 and bump clomid up for first 2 weeks.
I have some bloods from a year ago. I will try to locate a lab in my area to run a new set.