posted Wed, 10/12/2016 - 22:18
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okay so im 22 and wanna take my first cycle I've done research and talked to people and just as i figured everyone had some different way i should start. i have decided to go with test cyp half a cc every other day followed by 20mg anavar. still don't know about my pct though. what do you guys think about this?
macros: C: 150 F:50 P:190
p.s. im 5'4 152 around 13% bf
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Lmfao............ ok now i see you want to go the "Oral only" Anavar route.
Do you know anything about nutrient shuttling? compound Half Lives?....... Ais?........ how are you going to cope when your BP sky rockets, nose bleeds, pissing blood etc.... Huh?........ Liver values? Edema?..........................." Ohh fuck-off Vike yous talking out your ass".... but am i ???????????????????............. what if! the Oxandrolone that think you ordered is Winstrol! (this happens on a regular basis)..... now you start popping winny unknowingly and your natural testosterone production crashes!! which it will trust me bro...... whatcya goonna do then???????????????
Please notice how many question marks i used above......... because this is where you are about to go brother............. on a dark black journey of questionably unknown territory.
Dont dive in the pool when there is no water in it bro................ you catch my drift???
That's why I haven't started doing it, my coworker sold me anavar and told me "do 100mg right away" I'm thinking my body's never seen this drug if I go straight to 100mg Ima destroy my liver.
I'm just here looking for advice as to what to take to prevent most side effects. I'm not doing anything like I said if I am gonna do a cycle I wanna be safe not just jump into it
So okay what about an anavar only cycle at 60mg? With a soild diet and workout routine?
You keep wanting walk off the cliff here. You should be able to put on an easy 20lbs with a good diet and sound training program. AAS isn't going to do that for you. What you are looking at doing is just going to shut down your hpta and now you have to pct and hope you recover. In this time frame the bump in weight you got from increased glycogen loading from the steroids will disappear and you will be right back where you started and likely going backwards because now you have to recover from running that cycle.
I don't wanna gain 20 pounds though I wanna drop/get lean then clean bulk it back to 150.
Okay so would you guys be able to tell me then if this is good
Meal 1
7 egg whites
1 cup oats
Meal 2
7 oz tilapia
7oz white rice
2 oz greens
5oz avocado
Meal 3
7oz tilapia
7oz white rice
5oz greens
5oz avocado
Post
2 scoops protien iso flex
so you are looking for a cutting diet plan?
Yeah that's what I'm looking for any suggestions?
Your TDEE would be somewhere around 2800 cals. So I would look to be consuming around 2300 cals or so. Shoot for a ratio of about 30/40/30 (P/C/F) for your macros. As you reach a plateau knock of 25g of carbs and keep doing that as you hit plateaus until you hit your weightloss goal. The other option you can do instead of dropping carbs right away is to add in more cardio sessions. Start off with 3-4 session/wk along with your lifting and add in more days of cardio once you plateau. Once your cardio is maxed out then you can go the carb cutting route.
What do you mean 30/40/30
What I was planning on doing was 400 calories daily for about to weeks with this meal plan then change it up and add up the cardio.
Tell me that's a typo...
30/40/30 refers to the protein, carb, fat ratio of your diet. Ie. 30% of your total intake should be protein, 40% carbs, and 30% fats...
thank you
So let me get this straight. You want to do a cycle with test c @ 150lbs so you can get lean? And you wanted to do so at 400 cals a day, yet you did research. What did u do research? A coloring book? This isn't real. It can't be. I don't have a lot, but I have more faith in humanity than this.
No no I would do 400 calories of cardio a day and my intake would be 1700-2000 a day.
how do you do 400 calories of cardio a day? heart beat monitor? the little thing on the elliptical that tells you how many cals you burned? IF you're real, I'd take makwa's suggestion at starting at 2300. if you cut your cal's too much up front, you're not going to have anywhere to go when you plateau. You can only go so low and keep living healthily. You're only 152 lbs. I feel like if you lift hard and eat quality calories, the fat will take care of itself. And at 13%, I'd be more worried about putting on muscle. The more muscle you have, the more calories your body needs to live, so at your experience level & bf level, you'll probably end up burning fat by accident in the process. And if you don't, 13% looks a lot better on a muscular frame than a noodle frame, so you'd still have the appearance of a slightly lower body fat level. Your number one priority at 152 13% should be building muscle. When you hit 15%, cut down to 12-13% and start again. And don't touch any steriods until you're 25 and in the 180's.
As for the steroids. IF you decide that's what you want for yourself. Definitely don't do them until 25. You think you're grown and fully developed but the endocrine system isn't finished developing until 25, could be as old as 27 in some. If you fuck with it while you're still developing, you're asking for trouble.
And even if you do wait until your fully developed and do a "safe" cycle, understand you can still fuck yourself up anyway. I just did my second cycle over the summer. It was test only, by the book, did everything perfectly, and it's 3.5 months later and I'm still not recovered. I'm going back to my doc in a month and if my levels aren't better there's a chance i shut myself down for life. That's doing a perfect "safe" by the book cycle of test only at the age of 32. Your buddy's might be doing it, but when your all 35 and you're the only one that can still have kids, still want to fuck your wife, and still get it up no problem without having to jab a needle in your thigh twice a week, you'll be happy you did it right. besides the point shiva made that at your level you'll likely end up smaller than you are now if you do them now.
I mean right now I'm happy at 150 I would just like to be shredded at this weight so I have to cut down and then clean bulk it right? I wouldn't wanna be anywhere near 180 I'm just gonna look like a ball cause of my height!!
I'm your height and 194 I look nothing like a ball so you shouldn't have to worry about that unless it is 30% BF. Lmao. You'll be OK.
Lol alright I posted a pic I could post it as a reply though
That would be a good plan of attack. 13% isn't to bad of a bodyfat to start out at. Would really like to see a pic to see if cutting more bodyfat and then bulking would be more beneficial or if starting bulk now would be ok.
I think he is struggling taking onboard all this diet info.......... the terminology is foreign to him bro, at his age and stats i personally think he should just go balls out in the gym 3 times per week and aim to get strong as fuck while learning correct form etc............ eat the whole fridge and the exercise alone will sort a bodyfat level that suits his certain morph........... make this thing to technical and i think we are looking at frustration and failure.
Kind of going around in circles here it seems like.
You are going to be burning up precious muscle taking your cals that low.
How do I post a picture?
I see the link but it doesn't let me post.
Pictures / self shots / submit pic
So then what up the calories and keep the cardio the same
Follow the plan I gave you above. As you hit a plateau add in more cardio, eventually you cant add in anymore cardio so then start cutting the carbs.
Or.. when you hit a plateau cut carbs, when you cant go any lower on carbs then start adding in more cardio.
Either way will work but I prefer the first.
How much cardio should I start off with I was doing almost 1hr/800cal of cardio a day but I stopped really training cause of work.
Is that 800 based off a heart rate monitor or based off of the funky gadgets on the cardio equipment. I bust my ass alot of times for my cardio sessions and I burn off around 600-650 cals/hr based upon my real-time heart rate monitor. I can't imagine 800.
listen to this dude. he didn't get that expert tag or that physique by being a dummy.
Testrogen_PropC...The foods themselves look good for the most part although I can't only eat fish for my meats every day. But I would suggest splitting your macros up into 4-5 meals to keep your metabolism rolling. I'll let Makwa help you with this since he's much better at it, but I think he's going to agree that 3 meals a day isn't the way to go.
The post wouldn't count as a 4th meal.
the fact that he has not really said anything in response to welcoming assistance with his diet or really anything about his diet since the initial post says a lot....
I have said all I need to say. He can either sink or swim now.
Testrogen_PropC...No anavar. Just solid diet and solid training. That's all you need right now to make a ton of gains.
let me try to clarify, YOU SHOULD NOT BE USING EXOGENOUS HORMONES OF ANY KIND
I know a couple people same age and younger who have jumped on a cycle. This guy same age as me told me he is doing 100mg of anavar just anavar he looks big but honestly what he's doing I don't think is safe.
I know I'm only 152 but what I was looking to do was get lean not bulk up anymore!!
if youre going to go against advice here and make stupid choices no one can stop you physically but don't expect to be treated as an exception and think your going to get anyone here to support you in it.
you can get to where you want without steroids, everyone wants to be big yesterday but you using steroids isn't a good idea. you will likely screw something up anways and your diet lacks, this will result is netting no gains ultimately and potentially even being lighter than you are now a year from now.
guys your age largely want to get big for attention and girls, right?
well image if you screw something up and your penis doesn't work? whats the point? or what if you develop serious hormonal imbalances and grow a set of B cup titties and youre too insure about it to even take your shirt off? I'm not joking, these are serious and real potential outcomes.
I'm just asking the best route to take I don't wanna impress anyone I just wanna be the best me I can be.
Like can I just take anavar at 60mg and take liver support and all that stuff. I know I know at the end of the day its what I choose but I would like to do this the safest possible way there is, that's why I'm asking for help
being the best you involves ONLY diet and proper training. you don't have the experience or long standing dedication to benefit from steroids. not to mention your very delicate endocrine system is still developing at your age and you will likely damage it if you run hormones. do you want to permanently damage your body for the rest of your life, especially at such a young age?
Testrogen_PropC...And those are the same guys that are going to have the natural testosterone levels of a 5 year old girl by the time they're 35 because they ran gear while their bodies were still developing.
Following the rest of the sheep walking off a cliff doesn't mean it is a smart choice.
Then focus on your diet. AAS don't make you lean.
Start by going to the local Butchers shop and buy every compound he sells little bro........... then walk a little further down the street and enter the gym, walk away from all the cardio dog crap and all these fkn losers jumping on and off things and set your sights on the big fkn Barbells and Dumbells...... master the use of these ancient relics and work that body hard... i mean fkn hard!
Maximum 1hr workouts using the compound exercises and utilising the tonnage and volume principles................ dont waste ANY money buying all this new fangled supplement fkn junk and stick to natural whole foods.
You need CARBS and fats so dont be following one of these stupid low fat diets when you are looking to grow ( the tonnage will take care of fat burning).
I have a picture in my profile page from when i was 23yrs....... use that for motivation if you want!...... you should grow like a weed at 5.4 there are ZERO excuses........... its us taller guys that really have to work hard.
When i return to this earth in the next life i want to be 5.4 and be the squatting king of the universe lmfao!!!
I love how butcher shops smell...makes me hungry just walking in...lol..makes me hypnotized and i don't want to leave...all that redness and good wholesome food...mmmmmmmm
Is that An erection?
No homo.
LMFAO...
First I saw 22yrs old and I'm thinking "Ok let's see the base here" then I see 154lbs....end of story. Time for the butcher shop and barbells like you said. +2's for everyone.
OP: If you need some diet or training help, just ask.
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hope you are well bro.......... saw your pic!.... looking damn good
i forgot to mention to the guy up top that he must refrain from wanking..... you know what these young fuckers are like bro...... by the time hes had a Dozen wanks (maybe daily at his age) i could have gained 7fknlbs lmfaooooooooo
just sniffing the calorie rich fumes from my breath should make him grow ................ lol
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