posted Fri, 06/12/2015 - 22:49
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First cycle
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Hello all,
First post here and have been doing a lot of reading.
Have been training for a number of years. I train hard but Im not growing. I've gained a lot of strength however. Diet is also on point. Tracking calories. Clean diet. So I'm thinking of doing my first cycle.
What I'm looking at for my first cycle
10 weeks
250mg test e/week, 200mg/deca week
First 6 weeks
20mg/dbol a day.
Pct starting at week 12
Week 1 40mg/day nova
Week 2 40mg/day nova
Week 3 20mg/day nova
Week 4 20mg/day nova
I have a few questions, I'm hoping to have answered.
Is it imperative I use test e for a couple of weeks after I stop the Deca? Is hcg essential for pct? Is the test e enough or should I up it to 400mg/week?
I would rather play this one on the side of caution
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if it were me on my first cycle i would go just straight test for 12 weeks at 500mg/wk.... maybe use prop as a kick start the first 4 weeks 100mg EOD.... then taper at the end of the cycle with prop stretching it to 16 weeks .... just my 2 cents though and im no expert bro
Deca is one of those compounds best left to those on trt. It shuts you down very very hard, and it takes some time to its job. Dbol now, has a very high aromatising rate and can make you get gyno.
The purpose of running one coumpound per cycle lets you know where you are. Let's say you never ran anything else and you ran this. How would you know how much AI you would need to counter the dbol? How would you know how much prami or caner you need for the 19-nor?
Start off simple.
TronThere are so many things wrong with this that you need to go back and research for a good while man because what you listed above is a recipe for disaster. You have obviously not done much research and we are not going to design a cycle for you..not how it works here.we will help critique a cycle once you list one that is obviously WELL researched and you need to list your full stats along with your complere meal plan.Like you stated above "play this one on the side of caution"
Ah the good old 'diet is on point but I'm not gaining any weight' argument smh. I've checked your stats my man and if your diet and training were on point you would be making progress.
What is your TDEE
What is your current daily calorie intake
What are your macros
How often do you train and for how long
How much cardio are you doing
This cycle is way over the top for a first run. Test deca and dbol - you will have so many side effects you won't know what's going on. High estrogen, liver damage, prolactin, very hard shutdown of the HPTA to name but a few. First cycles are always test only but to be honest I think you have potential to grow naturally for a while yet.
Post responses to the above and we will see. Catalyst is willing to offer advice below too so id strongly suggest you take him up on it.
Ok
TDEE at 2900 (depends a lot on work load)
calorie intake per day- 3400
Macros 45/35/20 carbs/protein/fats
I train 4 days a week. For an hour or more depending on what session it is.
Don't do cardio because my job is very physically demanding.
What do you think?
TronAt that caloric intake you are going to stay the same weight or even lose weight..you have a physically demanding job in which you are burning calories all day plus working out..and that goes back to why you say you are a hard gainer.. it's simple. You need to eat way more and research the diet portion of lifting..try that and you won't need aas.. Not what you want to hear but it's the truth..
If you're not making progress at TDEE + 500 try increasing it to 750 or more. If you have a very physically demanding job your TDEE is probably higher than you think. I'm 5'9" and I eat 4000+ per day when I'm bulking.
When you train are you going to failure, incorporating supersets and drop-sets? How long are you resting between sets? If the time your muscle is under tension isn't sufficient or your intensity is too low you won't grow. Are you getting enough sleep and are you consistent with your diet and training every week?
At 6" you should be 200lbs before you need to start thinking about AAS.
Check out the training section, try Catalyst's shoulder workout and use that as a benchmark.
Training is a solid hour. I usually am exercise to exercise with minimal rest (say curls and calf raises back to back)
I will up my food intake then. Re-asses my training. the training should be good though I'll have a look at what you mentioned.
Appreciate the advice. Will try the extra food and tweek the training.
Cheers
Sounds good. Keep us posted on your progress and remember it's a marathon not a sprint. You have the right attitude and you're willing to listen to advice so you will do well.
TronEXCELLENT +1
Thank you!
If your diet and training were on point, you would be growing. Maybe not as fast as you once did, but you would grow. What's your diet? Show us. What about your training regime?
Regarding your cycle, it's hugely inappropriate and over the top for a first cycle. Three compounds, one of which is a 19nor. Way too much for a first cycle. You're on a website full of cycles ideas, research beginner cycles.
couldnt agree more .... ive got three cycles under my belt ... all were just straight test only ... was happy with all three ... if its not broke why fix it ... i dont feel the need to add other compounds ... besides maybe the provi/ mast we discussed ... I woudnt go throwing around and stacking all sorts of compounds ... thats just me and i feel im not advanced enough to warrant the possible sides of other compounds when i know i respond just fine to test only ... but thats just me
Nothing wrong with running simple cycles mate - We're not getting any younger, simple cycles = simpler recovery.
Agreed my man ... we are not getting any younger and i recover very well from test only cycles... I can bulk or cut with test only .... that just comes down to my diet ... and recovery time with proper pct has been a breeze for me ...(knock on fuckin wood) ...hope i didnt just jinx myself lmao
I posted above what the figures are for calories, macro etc. I researched a few. This was a novice cycle. I guess I just skipped the beginners because of the personal advice I got from others here.
The beginner cycle on steroid.com still has 500mg test e/week and the dbol?
TronCould you please tell me who gave you that advice?
Here as in where I live. Poor English.
TronOh ok.. yeah, don't listen to those guys if that' what they are telling you.
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Ok so it's ur dirt cycle ?? Play it safe bro don't use the deca or the dbol. Also u didn't mention what kind of ai u were going to run??
At 400mgs split weekly u shoul be good make sure to do a little more research there's a great group pg for beginners check it lots of good info