posted Tue, 06/25/2013 - 02:27
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FIRST CYCLE
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Hey,
I am new to the site. I'm 28 years old 6"2 and 200 lbs. I estimate my body fat to be between 15-17 %. I am currently planning my cycle. I been lifting for 2 years and I'm currently cutting until my order arrives. My diet is pretty clean as in the last 9 months I dropped from 245 to 200 and a lot of body fat.
I'm looking to run the following:
Test e 1-12 / 500 a week (2 shots mon and Thurs)
Dbol 1-4 / 30 every day
Aromasin / 12.5 EOD
Anavar 8 -14 / 50 everyday
PCT:
14-18
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 50/50/20/20
Thanks for your advise
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So I decided on the following:
Test e 1-12 / 600 a week (2 shots mon and Thurs)
Aromasin 3-14 / 6.25 everyday
Anavar 8 -14 / 75 everyday
PCT:
14-18
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 50/50/20/20
As of today I'm 6"2 195 lbs I'm guessing I'm around 17% body fat. My abs are visible but not very tight and I hold some slight lower abdominal fat. I'm thinking of going down to 185 before I start my cycle as I would like to be around 205 at the end with some lean muscle gains.
How many calories should I take in on cycle ?
Yeah get the body fat down to 15 or lower...
Honestly calories is dependent on you.. I go for 5-7k if I'm bulking depending on how hungry I am.. But I'm ectomorphic so I can get away with things like that.. You may respond differently.. Most people shoot for 4k
Weeks 1-12 Test e-500mg per week split
Week3-12 adex .25mg eod
Week15-16 clomid 100mg/nolva 40mg ed
Week17-18 clomid 50mg/nolva 20mg ed
This is what my first cycle looked like bro. Just simple and effective now I used adex but prefer aromasin now. And dose really depends on the person. But I respond well to 12.5mg ed with aromasin.
I agree with every one but there are two things I would like to add..
If you do not use a oral and only use test E you won't need to use your AI until week 3 or 4 typically.. Test E takes about 3 weeks to start kicking in.. Play it by ear, if your nips aren't itchy, sore, or puffy by week three you can wait til four..
If you take the oral then yes start your AI/aro on week one
I get better results with aro dosing it ED instead of EoD.. Sometimes at 6.25mg ed and 12.5 if my nips get puffy.. EoD is fine but if you notice anything wrong try changing it to ED instead of just upping the dose.
You will find your sweet spot with an AI once you've ran blood tests
Just my two cents
Chaz32621I agree on doing it Ed at around 6.25mg much better
Thanks guys for the advise. I think I will drop the dbol and go with the anavar instead. My pct will be arriving this week and I'm currently looking into the best source for test E. it was my first time using the Internet for purchasing so I didn't want to put all my chips in 1 bag or source. Until I receive everything I will continue to cut and get down as lean as possible before I begin to do a lean bulk.
Smart move, always have a back up source any ways. You will be less prone to getting sides like gyno or higher BP on cycle with lower body fat
I agree with Revenge. If your dead set on the oral then you're going to need to pick one or the other. Now both have 2 different "purposes" or "effects" for lack of better words. If you choose the Dbol at the beginning run it for 4 weeks and 30mg ED is a pretty good dosage to start with. You're going to get strength gain from it. As well as some water retention and mass.
Now if you go with the Var you can stick with the 50mg ED. Another good beginner dosage. Run it for the last 6-8 weeks. From the Var you can expect vascularity. Slight strength gain and maybe even a little added leanness.
Your oral is going to depend on your goal. Mill thistle or Liv52 will be needed for liver support.
Your AI looks good. Awesome that chose Aro. Pct looks good. Test dosages look good. Seems that you actually did a little bit of home work which is rare these days.
Now regardless of the info above we would still like to push a Test only cycle. Since your new to the world of AAS we'd like to take it one step at a time so you can learn your body's reaction. Remember that AAS are just tools. They are not magical. The work that you put in and your DIET will be the main factors in your end results. Good luck to you and keep us posted.
hey bro, usually first cycle would be test only, pct is good, ai is good, if your set on running the orals choose one or the other, for the first four weeks, and use a liver protectant like liv 52 and milk thistle, get bloods done before and after and watch your blood pressure
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