posted Sat, 12/06/2014 - 08:19
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Ending a cycle early, PTC protocol?
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Hi,
Due to reasons (not physical) I need to stop my cycle early.
I've been doing 250mg of Test E twice a week for the last 5 weeks, was planning to run it for 12.
I've got clomid and nolva on hand. How long do I leave it before I start PCT and what dosages do I use and for how long?
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Guys there isnt no point in us running our mouths at posts like this and surley we have to take it on face value that this guy needs a bit of help, who are we to judge people and isnt this sites main purpose to help out and give valued info.
If a topic comes across as completely fucked up and stupid then yea lets pick the bones out of it and knock it all we can, but someone asking for a bit of support due to reasons they cant or wont talk about, in my mind doesnt need to be slated.
As your 5 weeks in the Test E would have started to surpress your own testosterone production, so two weeks after your last test injection I would take 1000 iu of HCG every 7 days for 3 weeks and then when you get to the start of your 3rd week start taking 100mg of Clomid per day for two weeks and then 50mg per day for one week and after this jump onto the Nova at 40mg per day for one week and then 20mg per day for two weeks and then your done, some may reply to this and say over kill, but it works for me and ive been around gear for 15 years and can still get my nuts to drop.... lol.
This way you can be sure you wont get a testosterone crash effect and you will bring back your own test production back in, I hope that this helps and you get yourself all sorted out.
See this is what I was after someone who knows what they're talking about. There seems to be a common theme here of slamming people who ask questions but thats essentially what the forums are for.
I don't,however, have that much HCG on hand. As far as I know I've got half of a 5000 iu and 2 more 1500 amps ( as i was only using 500 a week this is was all I needed). Just one question though. What you're advocating is actually stronger than most PCT cycles for 12 and above weeks. Can you elaborate on why the standard isn't enough?
I wasnt saying that the standard isnt enough and only passing advice on what works for me, 1000 iu every 7 days for 3 weeks is only 3000iu which in comparison to alot of HCG based PCT's....remember the aim of a PCT is to ensure your own test production cuts back in and that estrogen is diminshed and with this type or PCT you can ensure that will happen, I think that PCT's can be troublesome when large amounts of HCG are added which can back fire and flood your system with an over production of test.
Ah sorry I read your first post as 1000 iu a day for 3 weeks. Should I run any armidex along side the HCG? I know too much HCG itself can cause problems but I don't know what the threshold is in this case.
Do u have gyno or any symptoms of high estrogen levels.....crying at regular TV...lol..if not then I would leave the Adex alone as this is to prevent / stop the build up of estrogen and giving that your only 5 weeks into a long ester that can take up to 5 weeks to become active at its peak and your now stopping, estrogen levels may be minimal and also give your weekly dosage.
Like very minimal gyno but that could merely be my imagination. I bloat if I don't have enough adex too. I'll keep it on hand but wont make it a regular.
Its not a case of not knowing. My cycle is the one reccomended in the sticky of this site, I didn't pull it out my ass. I thought there would be some sort of difference between the PCT needed for 12 weeks and one needed for 5 weeeks. I appriciate all your help though I'll follow that.
PowpowpowI did 4weeks cyp but very bad pip so had to stop 4weeks in..to be fair you sould be fine any pct u do...as I didn't even bother with pct but that's just me
please refrain from saying things like any pct will do. That is not what we recomend on this site. We recomend a full std pct as laid out below... Safe then sorry. Not trying to be a dick just saying.
Hitman187Your supposed to know pct dosages and everything about pct before you'd even begin a cycle, you dont wait til your halfway through or done cycle to figure out that info. Usually we dont spoon feed info to people around here but since you already started I dont wanna see you mess yourself up. Clomid 100/100/50/50 Nolva 40/40/20/20, start this protocol two weeks after your last injection.
Both Tzelukie and you make good points, but I'm curious as to whether he did know the proper PCT for a full cycle and was curious if that was appropriate for cutting a cycle short, or he didn't know at all... Hopefully he chimes in soon.
I'd +1 you but I can't yet, for the straightening it out for him. PCT is probably the thing most people end up ignoring, and while I get the whole "not spoon feeding mentality" because it's literally 10 minutes of proper reading to figure the whole thing out, I can really appreciate a members generosity in not wanting another member messing up. Good to see that on this site in spite of all the shitstorm that went on lately. (Partly why I finally decided to stop lurking and start posting.)
5 weeks into a cycle is not when your supposed to learn about pct! Run a std, two weeks after last pin!
Id run a standard pct, 2 weeks after your last dose of test.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/ai-pct-dosing...
There is some great info in that one as far as dosing, whether or not you were using an ai and carrying that through into your pct. tons of great info under the search function.
Being on for 5 weeks, you could possibly get by with a milder pct, by why chance it?
x2. Just run the normal PCT protocol two weeks after, and get your bloodwork after to make sure your body is back to normal. As the saying goes, it's always better to err on the side of conservativism.