posted Wed, 02/26/2014 - 14:03
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Doubts about Hcg and proviron use..
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I read diferent points of view regarding these two drugs..
Someone say to run Hcg till last week you run test, Others say till start of pct ( in case you run a test en cycle of 12 weeks till 14th week for example)
Same with proviron..
What do you think guys ?
What is the best solution ?
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Here are my two cents on this.
Proviron is a good idea because you can do more with less testosterone, the fact that it is a DHT derivative will also have some additional benefits. But it's not a necessity.
Low-dose hCG (150 IU three times a week) should be run throughout the cycle and stopped about four days before you start PCT.
Thanks mate.. and if you add the HCG not from beginning but from the middle of the cycle or for the end ?
I read someone uses this way : One 1000iu shot per week for 3 weeks with AI taken daily . Leave 2 weeks from the last HCG shot before PCT. This allows your testes to become re-sensitized to the body's LH signal from the brain, making for a quick recovery of natural testosterone production..
I was thinking to do ( in a 12 weeks test en cycle ) 11th week 1500iu , 12th week 1000iu , 13th week 500iu , 15th week pct and proviron added at 25/50mg daily around week 9th till week 14th (included)..
What do you think ?
My personal opinion is that you shouldn't do any cycle until you figure all this stuff out. Based on your comments you are pretty far off.
Will running it from the middle work, probably. Will running it at the end work possibly.
I gave you what I feel is the best solution.
"This allows your testes to become re-sensitized to the body's LH signal" But why would you want to stop the LH signal to your testes in the first place let alone a whole slew of other LH receptors throughout the body. Don't forget you have a LH receptors throughout your body. So hopefully your starting to see why it makes more sense to do it the way I recommended.
As far as commenting on everything else you're just not ready for that knowledge. Demonstrate that you understand the PCT process properly and then get into building cycle. Just looking out for you buddy not being rude.
Ok, thanks for your opinion..
I just don't agree when you say "you shouldn't do any cycle until you figure all this stuff out" ..
I could just run a classic only test cycle and standard nolva/clomid pct and stop, but seen many higly recommend HCG use, i've changed idea on it and i read it can be run or from beggining or at the end ( sources are stickies in Tnation and Elite Fitness, not my opinions ), so i would like to run at the end, but i read also ( in the same stickies) to stop 2 weeks before pct..
Regarding proviron use, when i posted my simple test cycle, a couple of users reccomended its use even at 25mg per day to run till just before pct.. I'm not saying to run through the pct.. What do you think it's wrong with all i wrote, please help me to understand better your point of view..
PCT is probably the most important thing when it comes to cycles.
"you shouldn't do any cycle until you figure all this stuff out" if we can't agree on this we probably won't agree on anything else either. So I am out, as I do not feel it would be in your best interest to continue.
Proviron is a no no for pct. Keeps you shut down.
HCG debate is up in the air but the general consensus is you run either during/the end of your cycle but you stop once your test levels have drop below normal and your pct is kicking in
I'm 34 looking for lean gains first cycle, 185-6'1" ( i think ) 91kg (200lb) bf % varies between 10/15 %
RustyhookerUp top is the dropdowns. Groups. First time cycles explained. Test only is straightforward. Read the stickie on provi. With provi thru cycle you can run less test and have big results.
Keeping it simple
Given your stats....your success is 100% foods and gym. Gear is gear. Preserves muscles. The food/fuel makes the goals reality. Cutting or bulking is all by foods.
RustyhookerStats and goals with prior experience will guide your info
i think the advice really depends on your current age and level of experience...