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I was trying to delete my original "Dissapointed" thread, but couldnt figure it out.. Piecing together this next cycle.. So last one was too high with the doses, and I burned out my receptors.. This would be the next one..
Test Prop - 100mg/EOD
EQ - 150mg/EOD
Oral T-bol Suspension - 25mg/ED for first 4-6 weeks
Arimidex - .5mg/EOD (I have no gyno, no signs of gyno, no soreness or tenderness, even after 2 "overdosed" beginner cycles. Should I run an AI?)
How long should this cycle be? I know atleast 12 weeks for me to maximize the EQ. Longer then that? Or is going longer going to burn out my receptors?
Also, week 3 into my PCT.. No acne, no loss in size, weight is still the same.. Though sex drive went away on week 1 of my pct.. Im starting to slowly get some back.. Is this normal? What can I do to bring that up naturally other than going to my doctor? Anyone every have any problems with this?
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AnonI read through this thread far enough to realize that you ask all these questions but haven't done any footwork or research for yourself.. You didn't run an ai with your first two test cycles so you basically wasted them. You want to run prop and all these other compounds but you have no idea how you will react to any of them.. I also question your research.. you want to pin eq EOD .. really??? YES run an ai, it will make your gear more effective and reduce water retention,bloating, and swelling. You ALWAYS want to run clomid as part of your pct. Nolvadex does NOT restart your system.
tread-mI have to rep you with a triple before someone hits you with a single. I don't think I could live with you being marked considering you are now at 665.
AnonI ran liquidex at .5mg eod both times.. Got it from a peptide site..
The reason I didnt use clomid was because
http://www.isteroids.com/steroids/post-cycle-threapy-pct.html
I didnt think I needed it..
zewiDo you have any gear on hand now? If so what?
AnonNone.
the best thing for you to do is as it has been said learn one compound at a time, why dont you run prop only for 2 months and try to gain on that, its really not that hard once you figure out calories/food intake. Ive ran around 6 test only cycles and have been able to gain 10-14 pounds on most of them, not in the beginning but in the end, once I dialed everything in...Its pretty simple really if your not gaining on roids theres something else wrong, no need to try and put a bunch of stuff together until you figure out what the problem is.
AnonMakes so much sense.. Would it matter what test I ran? I ran long estered tests the past 2 times and didnt like it too much.. Could I run prop?
If Im doing test only cycles, could I follow a pct protocol of just novadex since its such a mild cycle?
And would it be too much adding in an oral in the beginning?
zewi"I ran long estered tests the past 2 times and didnt like it too much"
What didn't you like about it? And how much were you taking per week?
Anon750 first time, 1000 second time.. It puffs me up so much.. Strength and weight didnt go up until after week 8 both times.. I just didnt get a great feeling from it..
Or was I running a dose too high and burning out my receptors not letting my body get the full benefit from the test?
zewitwo high.. "puffs me up so much" thats when a good AI like arimidex will help at a low dose of .25mg e3d helps with bloating and estro. .
And test e or c usually takes 4-6 weeks to feel a kick.
tread-mBrother I've explained this more than once. I think he questions our experience in his own mind and none of the information is absorbing, we keep ending up back at the same question as though it had never been answered. I enjoy helping people but I have to know the information is being heard and absorbed and more importantly, understood. Hos problem in my opinion is trying to understand too much at one time meaning none of it is sinking in. This to me is a clssic, "let's start over" . Learn the diet)gym proper to achievment then we slowly walk into compounds. When you're doing 10 things and all 10 have flaws you can't fix all 10 at once and understand what you fixed meaning you will fall back to failure somewhere. Sort of like rebuilding a failed football team. We get back to the basics and work our way up rather than trying to fix the flaws in 30 plays in the playbook. Here's 3 plays, let's master these then we move forward! Lol. We're literally full circle on this thread, right back to talking about reseptors again!
AnonI want to be sure about things. Just double tapping. So I dont understand what your saying about the receptors right now. Are you referring to the test only cycle being too much on my receptors? Im totally confused now
tread-mI'm saying in your case receptors have nothing to do with it. I have ran test blast and cruise as of today non-stop since novemeber of 2009, I don't have receptor issues and neither do you. You have AI issues, sex hormone binding globulan issues and many more issues. Yo have to go back and start again, listen close to the protocolas and the water consumption and salt reduction and proper cals/carbs/fat/protein, make sure gym is in place incorporating confusion. 50 things to learn and to do that with too many compounds is tough. You didn't figure out your test only runs and ran them improper. Why would you then want to complicate that with additional compounds? You have to learn it with one compound to success even if that means you run that one compound only every cycle until you do. Adding another play to the playbook before you master one play is going to make both plays suck, not make the one you don't understand better.
AnonMakes total sense. I just posted a new cycle down below. And my diet as well.
AnonSo do you think I should run a lower dosed cyp or eth cycle for 2-3 months or a prop cycle?
zewilooking at your stats you need a good diet and a good cycle. You don't need everything.
If your diet is good and in check you will grow.
this is the cycle I think you should run.
Day 1-45 DIET DIET DIET--Hit the gym hard/cardio get that BF down some...(DIET IS THE MAGIC PILL NOT AAS--no Diet it doesn't matter what you put in your body you will not get the results you want.)
Before i Give you a cycle.. I want to know what you should run and why!!
O and read this on how clomid works...
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/please-read-h......
AnonIm going to do all this and get back to you..
zewii'll be here all day..
AnonWell definitely a test only cycle.. Either Cyp or Eth for 12 weeks.. Or prop for 8 weeks because of its short half life and ability to kick in faster.. .5mg of Arimidex every other day (if needed).. 500iu HCG per week, divided into 2 doses.. Starting immediately if Im doing prop.. Or if doing cyp/eth, starting at around week 4..
Cyp - 500mg/week WK 1-12
Dbol - 20mg/day WK 1-4 (optional)
HCG - 500iu/week WK 4-12 (to make recovery faster when I start pct)
Arimidex - .5mg/eod (if needed)
or..
Prop - 100mg/eod WK 1-12
Dbol - 20mg/day WK 1-4 (optional)
HCG - 500iu/week WK 1-12 (to make recovery faster when I start pct)
Arimidex - .5mg/eod (if needed)
PCT
I dont think this would be considered overload for a first time cycle because of the lack of compounds. Also, these compounds are on the low end for dosing, meaning it shouldnt shut off my receptors and I should be able to actually make gains.
zewi"I thought you guys gave advice." I have no problem giving advice if i see some kind of research or thought behind it, but i see nothing here. However, think simple understand each compound, EQ is not an EOD compound. Look again read other cycles, and come back here with something better.
AnonWell then I could shoot the eq once a week because of its long half life.. Im asking you guys if the amount of compounds I have in this cycle is too much?
Exactly! a simple test only cycle and get the diet and training down.
AnonTraining is definitely down.. I would say diet is pretty close to down..
Here is current diet
Upon Waking
1 Green Apple, 1 Liter Water
Meal 1
4 Jumbo Eggs, 3 slices Ezekiel Bread, 1c Green Squash, 8oz Orange Juice, 1 Animal Pak, 1 Animal Omega
Meal 2&3
7oz Turkey, 1.5c White Rice, 1.5c Mixed Veggies, 30g Almonds, ½ Lemon
Meal 4&5
7oz Steak, 10oz Potato, 1c Asparagus, 1TBSP Olive Oil
Pre Workout
50g Whey, 1 Banana
Intra Workout
Intra-Aid on back and leg days
Post Workout
1 Scoop EAA Nitro, 2 Animal Nitro Packs, 10g Glutamine
This feels like a lot of food for me..
ANY THOUGHTS ON DIET GUYS? CHANGES?
yikes
This is not a cycle of any discription i have ever seen in my whole life... i just read treads comments through and he is spot on with all his assumptions why your cycle failed... I on the other hand will come at you from the brick in the face angle and tell you straight out right here YOU ARE NOT READY TO USE AAS you need to spend some serious time researching the whole subject from A-Z .
All i can ever forsee for you while you have this muddled up idea in your head of what compounds to use and cycle lengths etc etc etc is TOTAL FAILURE EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME... you cleary have no clue what you are meddling with here... only thing you are going to do to yourself is fuck yourself up BIG TIME... from today man up put the gear in the bin and start afresh with hundreds of hours of deep research... quit posting your numb ideas of cycles and dont expect to be spoon fed by the guys on here... your ignorance is beyond belief to the whole aspect of what we do here.
Good day and good luck.
AnonI thought you guys gave advice. I was wrong. Instead, all I see on the forums is bashing about how everyone is doing it wrong and how they need to do research. And you my friend need to learn how to spell. The juice has definitely gotten to you. Gun shot to the back of the head, goodnight.
NICE!.... i love the threats it keeps me on my toes lmfao!
This is what i am talking about!
zewi+1 for being on your toes..
No need for the hostility...he is giving advice. He is trying to say that a miracle combination of compounds you put in your body isn't going to achieve the results you want. He is saying go back and research everything you have done to locate where you went array. You asked for advice and this is what he gave, it's not everyone else's fault that you can't take constructive criticism
Anonyour right.. I am too hostile.. :-(..
tread-mToo much wrong here. One, you add 2 compounds I believe as compared to your first cycle. Eq needs 16 weeks IMO with 2 estra test. Then we have to talk about this "burned out your receptors". That's a difficult thing to do given I've ran over 30 consecutive months blast/cruise hrt. More often than not its what It is called "dirty fish tank". You have too much shit going on and most of that is simply not knowing what you are doing. Have not had enough bloods to learn to roadmap your own individual situation. This could mean your estro rose enough to increase sex hormone binding globulan which was robbing your test, estrogen was acting as the dominant hormone rather than test at vthe sites, cortisol was up, diet was not dialed to the goal and 100 other things we could talk vabout. Had you had bloods done you could have read the map and "known" what was wrong. Such as if your test was very high and your estro/shbg in check, cortisol in a good place, igf-1 good and thyroid/fsh perfect and your diet was absolute perfection then you can say, "maybe I have a receptor issue. Highly unlikely . I suspect had you had the bloods you would have found where your issue was and with the knowledge and the tools could have corrected it quite quickly. I will have to look at your other post I don't remember it but I'd almost guarantee if you had used a low dose AI and if the kitchen and gym were in place your last cycle would have been very different. I need to go see more, your age and the use you rolled with, compounds etc. Don't close your mind either thinkiing "diet" is in check just because you have a buddy achieving on one specific roll. Diet has to be an evolution to "your" success given your metabolic rate is unique to you. I'll wait for those who know you better or find more info and post what I think the cycle should be with proper AI use but you have to be willing to evolve this diet and gym work to the goal and have to begin to learn yourself and roadmap your use through bloods. Again, had you had bloods mid cycle last time as nothing was happening you could have done so much good from that. You find out the quality of your gear and find out what is wrong and what Is right and can fix the wrong so achievement continues...as of now we just have to guess based on less knowledge.
AnonAccording to everyone on this forum, the first and second cycles were heavily over dosed..
So then a fellow critiqued my next cycle I had in mind and it looked something like what I posted above..
Doing research, and putting stuff together.. Then coming on here to ask questions and people just shit talk.. I appreciate your replies though..